Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? - Page 8

Devilz · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

So what, you think Super Buu is 36x stronger than SSJ3 Goku? Correct me If I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by gkrt

Yep I think that.

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

Then it is considered trolling.

Repped for funnies.

uki1234 · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

Then it is considered trolling.

I dont see why it is trolling.

Prove him that Super Buu isn't 36 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Sorata · 05-31-2008

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Explain why Goku was terrified at the idea of having to fight Shin Boo without the potara fusion. He outright states both him and Vegeta would be killed by Shin Boo.

Goku with his limited time in SSj3 state and huge energy consumption in hostile environment wouldn't take on Super Buu (regeneration, unlimited Ki) even if he was even or a little stronger. Super Buu doesn't have to be 5 times stronger.

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You don't have any statements. You have unclear dialogue, which isn't to be used as evidence.

I have unclear dialogue? What about you? I proved that Goku couldn't know how powerful would Gotenks be. I think now's your turn to disprove that or find another proof. That's how discussion works in my opinion.

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The bottom line is, the general impression garnered is that SSJ Gotenks (which Goku would assume they could get) is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

General impression? I don't have any overall impression that Gotenks is stronger and if you do please show me why.

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He never takes this back and he never ever contradicts that statement.

Vegeta named himself Super Sayian after Dende healed him on Namek and he never contradicted it so he was a fully SSJ. But somehow he wasn't right.

He didn't have to contradict it because actions speak louder than words.

Please tell me why no one felt the change beetween Fat and Super Buu?

SkullRock · 05-31-2008

Goku was not "terrified" of Super Buu. He simply stated that he and Vegeta could not beat him.

Devilz · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Sorata

I proved that Goku couldn't know how powerful would Gotenks be.

No you didn't. :/

Sorata · 05-31-2008

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No you didn't. :/

Well either you didn't read my posts or you chose to ignore it because it's too much for you.

And because I didn't (like you say) explain it I'm sure you will be able to answer to this(what I posted earlier):

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t isn't possible for him to tell how strong will the fusion be with just witnessing two Metamorese fusing. Unless you think that his Ki sensing is so perfect that he can mathematically compare the Metamorese and the kids, come up with fusion multiplier and state 100% sure that the kids would be able to defeat the enemy whose full power he didn't even witness. Please man.

And this perfect Ki sensing didn't even flinch when Super Buu was formed. Yeah right.

Devilz · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Unless you think that his Ki sensing is so perfect that he can mathematically compare the Metamorese and the kids, come up with fusion multiplier

Yes, I think his ki sensing is that good. Now what?

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state 100% sure that the kids would be able to defeat the enemy whose full power he didn't even witness.

He doesn't know about Buu's full power.

Sorata · 05-31-2008

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Yes, I think his ki sensing is that good. Now what?

Now that:

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And this perfect Ki sensing didn't even flinch when Super Buu was formed.

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He doesn't know about Buu's full power

Thats exactly what I wrote.

Devilz · 05-31-2008

You know how strong Super Buu was when he was formed?

**Majuub** · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Goku with his limited time in SSj3 state and huge energy consumption in hostile environment wouldn't take on Super Buu (regeneration, unlimited Ki) even if he was even or a little stronger. Super Buu doesn't have to be 5 times stronger.

I have unclear dialogue? What about you? I proved that Goku couldn't know how powerful would Gotenks be. I think now's your turn to disprove that or find another proof. That's how discussion works in my opinion.

General impression? I don't have any overall impression that Gotenks is stronger and if you do please show me why.

Vegeta named himself Super Sayian after Dende healed him on Namek and he never contradicted it so he was a fully SSJ. But somehow he wasn't right.

He didn't have to contradict it because actions speak louder than words.

Please tell me why no one felt the change beetween Fat and Super Buu?

Actually, everyone felt it.

SSJ3 Goku can't be anywhere near SSJ3 Gotenks. He states himself Gotenks would be more powerful, but it depends on how you take the statement. Personally, I think SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT) is in the same league as SSJ3 Goku but a deal weaker, if Gotenks powers up to SSJ3, there is just no competition.

Evil Vegeta · 05-31-2008

Goku didn't look too happy when he sensed Super Buu's chi, so he was obviously not excited about that power he had. By the way, Goku looked pretty terrified when Super Buu formed in his own body, and prepared to thrash the two.

Madness · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Goku with his limited time in SSj3 state and huge energy consumption in hostile environment wouldn't take on Super Buu (regeneration, unlimited Ki) even if he was even or a little stronger. Super Buu doesn't have to be 5 times stronger.

No. This kind of thinking would take you down the "Chibi Buu was the strongest Buu road".

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Originally Posted by Sorata

I have unclear dialogue? What about you? I proved that Goku couldn't know how powerful would Gotenks be. I think now's your turn to disprove that or find another proof. That's how discussion works in my opinion.

That is supposition taken from outside of our chosen text. That is never implied in the text, nor is it stated.

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Originally Posted by Sorata

General impression? I don't have any overall impression that Gotenks is stronger and if you do please show me why.

Goku's statement.

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Vegeta named himself Super Sayian after Dende healed him on Namek and he never contradicted it so he was a fully SSJ. But somehow he wasn't right.

It is contradicted by Goku becoming a Super Saiyan.

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Originally Posted by Sorata

He didn't have to contradict it because actions speak louder than words.

No they don't. Not in this case. He never proved himself to be stronger than Super Buu. He even said that he'd get ripped apart by Super Buu, both him and Vegeta.

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Please tell me why no one felt the change beetween Fat and Super Buu?

I've really no idea. It's a fair point, but transformations in DBZ have before seemed unremarkable, whilst they have really been so much stronger. Freeza's true form for example. Gohan and Krillin couldn't sense the difference. And Cell's Perfect form. Vegeta had no idea how much stronger he'd become. It's probably just there for storytelling purposes.

Prince Vegeta · 05-31-2008

Nothing anyone has said thus far is enough to convince me that
SSJ Gotenks (pre rosat)>FPSSJ3 Goku. I still support the latter.

Madness · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

Nothing anyone has said thus far is enough to convince me that
SSJ Gotenks (pre rosat)>FPSSJ3 Goku. I still support the latter.

Goku's statement is enough. With the in-text evidence, there is nothing that implies he was wrong, or that he was lying.

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