Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? - Page 21

Evil Vegeta · 06-04-2008

Yeah, that part was filler, and odd filler at that. Goku fought Gotenks Buu with his SSJ3 form, and fought the much more powerful Gohan Buu with his MSSJ form, which was funny.

I think Goku didn't bother going SSJ3 to battle Super Buu, because he knew he wouldn't stand a chance. He knew that the form could still wipe his energy out, but he didn't know it would've did so fast like he realized when he going against Kid Buu. I just believe he took it into consideration, and still knew he wouldn't do any better against Super Buu in the form.

Almost similiar to Goku & Semi Cell: Goku just made it clear to Cell that he was much weaker then him, and that a battle would be pointless because of the power difference. Goku said this while in his base form, but he thought about his SSJ form, and still knew it would make no difference in the battle. That's kinda how I see it. Hope it makes sense.

**Darkprince410** · 06-04-2008

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Still why didn't Goku go SSJ3 then to fight Super Buu. He fought Super Buu-Gohan absorbed as a SSJ3, so why wouldn't he try it out on regular Super Buu if he wasn't weakened?

Actually, that's filler isn't it, the fight with Goku and Super Buu-Gohan absorbed? Never mind then I guess. Just trying to make sense of it all. Cause even if that is filler, the fact still stands that Goku could've gone SSJ3 and there is no reason why he wouldn't if he wasn't weakened. I don't know, just a thought.

Gokuu never actually fights any form of Shin Buu whatsoever, for as you said, it was filler. The reason he never went Ssj3 while in Buu's body is because he knows that he'd still get killed anyway. He only went Ssj3 against Shin Buu Gotenkusu Prime because it was the best form he had to defend himself against Buu long enough for Gohan to find the potara earring.

gad_is_here · 06-04-2008

Why do people pay so much attention to the filler and not the manga?

Sorata · 06-04-2008

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suppressing his battle power.

I never said that Good Buu was suppresing him. I meant that Shin Buu was scared like shit to lose control and become mindless Kid Buu.

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meaning he was taking the brunt of Furiiza's attacks with an exceptionally low battle power.

Thats was just Freeza playing with him and being more gentle because he wanted to calm. Just like he stated.

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Gokuu assumes that's why he did it, but there's no proof that's why. Perhaps he just did it cause he preferred being whole than in pieces?

I'm sorry but if Goku's statement about Gotenks being stronger is accurate (in your opinion) so is this sentence.

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If Furiiza was intentionally holding back his strength to prolong beating Gokuu around, then he wouldn't have been surprised one bit by his resilience whatsoever, but since he was, that shows that Gokuu is surviving a beating that would have killed anyone else of that strength.

Exactly anyone else. Since Freeza couldn't sense energy he couldn't know how strongly Goku must be beaten. You would be amazed that someone is staying alive even if you supposed that he would fall after taking your intentionally weak hits.

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I think Goku didn't bother going SSJ3 to battle Super Buu, because he knew he wouldn't stand a chance. He knew that the form could still wipe his energy out, but he didn't know it would've did so fast like he realized when he going against Kid Buu. I just believe he took it into consideration, and still knew he wouldn't do any better against Super Buu in the form.

Which still doesnt mean that Super Buu was 4x stronger than Goku or Fat Buu.

Madness · 06-04-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

Why do people pay so much attention to the filler and not the manga?

Because it so often contradicts the manga and established fact.

Devilz · 06-04-2008

Wouldn't that be the reason not to pay attention to it?

Pober · 06-04-2008

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If that is indeed what you are saying, take these two things into consideration.

1. Goku went from 16,000(guess) to 90,000 in a week.

2. Gotenks went from SSJ to SSJ3, thats a huge mofoing difference.

How you look at it?? Goku make ca 80.000 in week, Goten and Trunks make in 10 day's ca 1.8mln...if train as hardest how can...but Ssj and Ssj3 level?? what it have to PL?? nothing?? it's transformation...you can do it fast...or learn fast.

Evil_Vegeta i know now where is your's point of view...i belive merger is powerfull, you too...but for us problem is inside...all proof and fact not give Trunks and Goten on his basis more than 2mln...but you will give him more than 40mln ;p and here is problem...why you make this gap for this kid's?? Vegeta and Goku train all live, have Zenkai, and hard battle...but this kid's??

After milk absorbing to first hard fight is on Tournament, so bit far, but you will give him power already , what Vegta worked on it several year? Can you explain it? i mean this with this 40mln+ on basic...from where it? and how it made?

Dupe of USSJed · 06-04-2008

My god someone please translate that for me. I can deal with asian english, but not whatever country that is...

Heres what I thought I saw

How do you look at it? Goku can increase by 80,000 in a week, and Goten and Trunks can increase by x1.8(could be increase by 1,800,000 please be more specific, ca means nothing) in 10 days if they train as hard as they can. And as for the SSJ levels, who said being able to turn SSJ3 would increase their SSJ1 strength?"

Now if that is indeed what is implied, I will answer with this.

1. Goku became approx x6 stronger in a week. Why could Goten and Trunks not become 6x stronger in six days, in fact not even 2x stronger according to you.

2. Gohan couldn't become an SSJ2 until he mastered SSJ1, and I assume that you need some mastery of SSJ2 to reach SSJ3, and if nothing else being able to reach SSJ3 means you can turn SSJ2. Ok, if you managed to follow that, that could mean that Gotenks post CoSaT is a MSSJ, and MSSJ Goku was much much stronger than regular SSJ Goku, so it would make sense that MSSJ Gotenks is much stronger than SSJ Gotenks.

And if nothing else, Goku was PL:3,000,000 when he turned SSJ. Imagine how strong he needed to be to become SSJ3. It looks like the boys must have improved by a similar huge amount to unlock the SSJ3 transformation.

Also, is this the elusive SSJ2 Gotenks? In the middle right?

Madness · 06-04-2008

There's no indication that you need to master SSJ before attaining SSJ2.

Pober · 06-04-2008

USSJed almost all wrong, what you have wrote there. ;p

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1. Goku became approx x6 stronger in a week. Why could Goten and Trunks not become 6x stronger in six days, in fact not even 2x stronger according to you.

I don't write anything like it. I write Goku make circa 80,000 in 6 day's and Trunks in10 day's can maksimum made 1,800,000 addon to base. How much he do from this 1,800,000 i don't know, but his powerlevel can't be stronger than 2,000,000 on Tournament. That's why i don't belive in some story with, if somebody give him 40,000,000 on base ;p Different is to big ;p or maybe he has born with 40,000,000 on basis?? xD HAhah sorry for smile, but i can't buy this...So Evil_Vegeta can you example his powerlevel?? why that high, and how he made it?(i mean about Trunks)

gad_is_here · 06-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

Wouldn't that be the reason not to pay attention to it?

Exactly what I was thinking

**Majuub** · 06-04-2008

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Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

I'm not gonna lie, I'm not an expert on the manga or anything so don't crucify me too badly. But someone had told me before that the scene where Goku and Vegeta were inside Super Buu's body was filler and not in the manga. I'm just saying that's what I heard before. And if it is in the manga, didn't Super Buu comment on Goku's strength reduction after separating from the fusion? I could have sworn Super Buu said something like "you've become so weak, I could kill you with no problem". And that would explain Goku not being SSJ3 and also Goku saying Super Buu could kill him and Vegeta. I don't know, just asking. And if people are saying Kid Buu had to absorb the South Kai cause he was stronger then Kid Buu, then Why would Buff Buu have to absorb the Fat Kai? Wouldn't that mean he was stronger then Buff Buu and that Fat Buu, if the evil in his body didn't separate, would be the strongest of all the Buu's? Besides the fact that the Fat Kai was so good, that it effected Fat Buu differently then the other Buu's. I'm just wondering. Also, I'm not gonna lie, I think the fact that Super Buu absorbed SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan and became insanely powerful, twists peoples thoughts on how strong Super Buu really is without the absorptions. Cause honestly, I don't know if it's ever really actually stated in the manga if Super Buu was the strongest Buu or not. Like I said, I just really have a few questions after reading all 20 pages. Don't crucify me too badly lol, just enlighten me if possible.

In fact, you're somewhat right. Goku said something about them not being able to fuse anymore and Shin Buu replied:

So, you can't unite, what a chance.

He didn't say they were weaker but he came at them like they were nothing and he wasn't scared at all.

Dupe of USSJed · 06-04-2008

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I write Goku make circa 80,000

Until you write what the heck circa is suppost to mean, I will not endevour to answer that.

Except for this, where the hell did you get Goten can only increase his PL by 1,800,000 in a week bullshit from?

Madness · 06-04-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Until you write what the heck circa is suppost to mean, I will not endevour to answer that.

Except for this, where the hell did you get Goten can only increase his PL by 1,800,000 in a week bullshit from?

Circa = around abouts.

Pober · 06-04-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Except for this, where the hell did you get Goten can only increase his PL by 1,800,000 in a week bullshit from?

week is 7 day's :) i wrote 10 day's ;p i don't want use word's of physics, because you will not understand it ;) i tell you only one, 6,000 kg weight, you need around 90,000 ki to take it, and 21,000 kg you need around 5,000,000 ki to take it...rest count yourself... -.- and last statement Trunks have very big problem with around 4,500 kg-5,000 kg, this is his maksymum weight and that's why have problem with moving. You can count all number's in about,around...and his basic pre 10 day's training was less than Goku when fly on namek...

And, when many people count it, Trunks ki after 10 day's training, all said; can't be more than 2,000,000 ki...this result is of course in about around, but i accept misstake few

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