Darkprince410

1) No, all he says is that removing Mr. Buu would result in him ceasing to be, not that he was acting as some sort of control mechanism.

2) Umm, the majority of Furiiza's blows against Gokuu were when his Kaiou-ken was down, not up, since the tell-tale Kaiou-ken aura was not present during most of the hits. Nevertheless, he still managed to survive them, despite a massive battle power difference.

3) For one, Buu didn't even think fusing that way would even work, but decided to go ahead and kill Gokuu anyway. Furthermore, after Rou Dai Kaioushin-sama revived himself in his dead form yet before giving him the potaras, he tells Gokuu to not go down as is because he'd stand no chance against Shin Buu Gotenkusu Prime.

I'd also like to point out that while Furiiza did say that, his later reaction to the fact that he hadn't killed Gokuu yet the way he was pummeling him suggests that he wasn't playing around quite as much has he claimed to be in order to "prolong" Gokuu's demise.

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Pober

Majin Buu can only use full power when be mad...without it his powerlevel is around Mr.Buu.
"Piccolo is the one who said "they've powered-up hugely" you mean about it, Piccolo know ca. high power of Majin Buu, he see him in fight with Vegeta Ssj2...

Gotenksu base is around Base level Goku or Vegeta...after RosaT is bit more than GOku or Vegeta, but never Gotneksu base was around Ssj2 or greater then Ssj2 power.

If Gotenksu base is around Ssj2 level than, he will be killed by mad Majin Buu, how Vegeta...if Gotenksu Ssj is around Ssj3 Goku, so Shin Buu is stronger about {Ssj2,Ssj3} level by Majin Buu and Vegetto Ssj is less than Gohan Buu. But last 7 word is bullshit, so that mean Goten and Trunks have base around Vegeta and Goku from A.S, and after fusion they got base around Goku or Vegeta from B.S

logic in that? so where is logic in something like Gotenksu Ssj3 is stronger about difference between 2 level of transformation {Ssj2,Ssj3}??

Madness

Pober, just shut up. You're arguing unargueable points. It's... weird.

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Evil Vegeta

No! He's only Mr. Buu when there's no evil in him. He's never stated to drop in power after he increases it.

Yes, he even talked about Vegeta's new power, sayin "he was more powerful then Gohan when he fought Cell" and some other stuff. You think Piccolo would be all excited about base Gotenks (who, according to you, is weaker then base Goku & Vegeta) going against Super Buu? A much more powerful version of Majin Buu?

Read above.

How do you know? Vegeta was the one who eliminated himself, remember? Gotenks probably just got lucky, but we never see the battle. You seem to be lost about the power of fusion: it's not the combining of power levels, it's a skill that multiplies and unlock's new reserves of power. Trunks & Goten are more powerful then Goku & Vegeta's bases during the Android saga.

A fusion SSJ multiplier is not the same as a regular SSJ one.

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LegendaryBroli

To say base gotenks is at base goku or base vegeta is just plain wrong since everybody on the lookout was shocked at the immense power base gotenks was admitting when they first fused. If anything base gotenks would be around Super Saiyan Goku.

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Pober

I will never belive in something like this kid's got this powerlevel in this age...and after only 10 day's extreme trainnig...or 17 day's (+Rosat)...And this difference with 2 transformation of Saiyan level is to, too much to give fot Gotenksu. with this all logic within basis + fact get down...

Something new?

Let's choose one of two. Either, merger is powerful and kids are weak, or merger is weak, but kids be born with high base level (around 40-ty millions?). Because, when they train in this 10 day's maksymum, what they can do in hardest trainign is +1.8mln on base... i don't understand why you all give them basic near or greater than Vegeta after 1-st RoSaT...

Evil Vegeta

Let me ask you a question: How powerful do you think SSJ Gotenks is? For some reason, it seems like you're implying that a higher level of SSJ will be greater regardless. So, with that logic, SSJ2 Vegeta is more powerful then SSJ Gotenks because he's at a higher level of SSJ, right?

The kids are far from weak, but they're weaker then Goku & Vegeta in their base forms, but fusion gives them the advantage. No way can you actually believe Gotenks would be around base Goku and be able to escape that battle.

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Sorata

In my translation it is more or less: "I won't be myself anymore"


Goku used kaioken in bursts and even before there wasn't any aura that indicated he's using it.

Goku stated that Buu is afraid because a second after he heard of it yhe called his legs back.

That could easily be a normal astonishment that even with the supposed power difference Goku is still standing and only breaths heavily.

Darkprince410

1) Yes, meaning that he'll cease being Shin Buu anymore. Mr. Buu played a part in his personality, not as a means of controlling and suppressing his battle power.

2) Yes, it's used in bursts, but unlike in the anime, in the manga we can clearly see when he's using those bursts because there is a characteristic aura about him during those times. However, several of Furiiza's attacks landed on him when the aura was down, meaning he was taking the brunt of Furiiza's attacks with an exceptionally low battle power.

3) Gokuu assumes that's why he did it, but there's no proof that's why. Perhaps he just did it cause he preferred being whole than in pieces?

4) If Furiiza was intentionally holding back his strength to prolong beating Gokuu around, then he wouldn't have been surprised one bit by his resilience whatsoever, but since he was, that shows that Gokuu is surviving a beating that would have killed anyone else of that strength.

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Majuub

I won't bother reading the last coupe of pages since it's way too long. Can anybody tell me what's this all about so I can side with Darkprince410 and end this.

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Dupe of USSJed

Are they? I don't remember anything about that.

Attempted Translation: "Goten and Trunks trained as hard as possible in the Hyperbolic time chamber, and so increased their power by the maximum that they could, which is +80%"

If that is indeed what you are saying, take these two things into consideration.

1. Goku went from 16,000(guess) to 90,000 in a week.

2. Gotenks went from SSJ to SSJ3, thats a huge mofoing difference.

When people apply shit like "Zarbon is 1.1x stronger than Vegeta" or "The maximum you can increase in a week is 80%(where do you get that shit?)" you are trying to change DB from a story into a series of math equations. Is a story fun? Yes. Is maths fun? FUCK NO, so just quit it.

Devilz

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apocalypse1280

I'm not gonna lie, I'm not an expert on the manga or anything so don't crucify me too badly. But someone had told me before that the scene where Goku and Vegeta were inside Super Buu's body was filler and not in the manga. I'm just saying that's what I heard before. And if it is in the manga, didn't Super Buu comment on Goku's strength reduction after separating from the fusion? I could have sworn Super Buu said something like "you've become so weak, I could kill you with no problem". And that would explain Goku not being SSJ3 and also Goku saying Super Buu could kill him and Vegeta. I don't know, just asking. And if people are saying Kid Buu had to absorb the South Kai cause he was stronger then Kid Buu, then Why would Buff Buu have to absorb the Fat Kai? Wouldn't that mean he was stronger then Buff Buu and that Fat Buu, if the evil in his body didn't separate, would be the strongest of all the Buu's? Besides the fact that the Fat Kai was so good, that it effected Fat Buu differently then the other Buu's. I'm just wondering. Also, I'm not gonna lie, I think the fact that Super Buu absorbed SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan and became insanely powerful, twists peoples thoughts on how strong Super Buu really is without the absorptions. Cause honestly, I don't know if it's ever really actually stated in the manga if Super Buu was the strongest Buu or not. Like I said, I just really have a few questions after reading all 20 pages. Don't crucify me too badly lol, just enlighten me if possible.

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Evil Vegeta

From what I remember, Super Buu said nothin about them being weak or anything like that. After Goku & Vegeta release everyone, Vegeta wants to leave, but Goku quickly stops him, stating they would get crushed, then he tell's Vegeta he's an idiot for destroying the potara. Once Super Buu forms inside of himself, Goku continues to complain about not being fused, and basically tries to bluff Super Buu instead of enter a battle with him.

Goku then talks about finding their way out of Buu when they defeat him, and Super Buu laughs and tell's them they have no chance. I agree about the Kid Buu thing; he's mindless, so he doesn't have to absorb for a purpose in my opinion. I believe he either does it, or he doesn't do it. Super Buu w/Gohan absorbed stated he was in his most powerful form.

This is how I see them from strongest to weakest:

Super Buu (w/Gohan)>Super Buu (w/Gotenks)>Super Buu (w/SK)>Super Buu (w/Piccolo)>Super Buu>>Majin Buu>=Kid Buu=Evil Buu>>>>Mr. Buu

That seems to be my interpretation of it anyway.

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