Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? - Page 14

**Darkprince410** · 06-02-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

I just dont get why if Goku told Buu that Gotenks would be stronger than him it doesnt have to mean that Gotenks would be stronger then Goku...He was just assuming so that buu would stop killing people since Goku didint have enough time left on the planet.

-The same goes the time when Vegeta was preparing to fight semi cell and when trunks said "is he already gonna transform" ....he was also assuming

So in my opinion one quote is not enough.

If he had only said it to Ma-jin Buu then I would agree with your belief that he said it simply to try and convince Buu to stop his attacks, but he later re-iterates the same message to Pikkoro and states quite clearly that the fusion would be more than enough to defeat Buu within the 30 minute timespan that it'd last. This puts Ssj Gotenkusu (Pre-RoSaT) at the very least in the same power range as FpSsj3 Gokuu, if not stronger.

Sorata · 06-02-2008

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If he had only said it to Ma-jin Buu then I would agree with your belief that he said it simply to try and convince Buu to stop his attacks, but he later re-iterates the same message to Pikkoro and states quite clearly that the fusion would be more than enough to defeat Buu within the 30 minute timespan that it'd last.

You would accept that he would lie to Majin Buu not to his friends? He had to convince them that Gotenks will be powerful. You think that they would let him go just like that without fighting Majin Buu if he said that he's just guessing? Goku didn't wan't to be the savior again.

Pober · 06-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

If I had said Ssj Gotenkusu was only slightly stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu, then what you just said would have merit. But Ssj3 Gotenkusu is far stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu, and I've proven this to you several times.

Prince Vegeta, I'm one of those people that actually believe that the South Kaioushin-sama was stronger than Chibi Buu, because of his apparent need to absorb South Kaioushin-sama to win, whereas he didn't attempt to even try to when he fought a being that was more or less his equal (Ssj3 Gokuu)

Let's begin again. If Gotenksu Ssj is a bit strongest than Goku Ssj3. It leads to, that ShinBuu is strongest 28-times than MaijnBuu. Why? Because this is difference between GotenksuSsj and Goku Ssj3. Difference is 2x Super Saiyan Level...i mean about Ssj2 and Ssj3...

And now i repeat already what i write earlier:

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Originally Posted by Pober

These two mergers are the same. But ok...

Now, what if there ShinBuu is strongest 28 times than MaijnBuu. Accept you it so?

For example:
Goku = 3, Vegeta = 3... Vegetto is 6*400=2400
Shin Buu is 28 times more than ~ Goku Ssj3... 50*3 = 150 on Ssj, Ssj*8 = 1,200 on Ssj2, Ssj2*4 = 4,800 on Ssj3 level and this powerlevel around MaijnBuu, now Shin Buu is 28*4,800 = ~135,000

And now Vegetto Ssj is 2400*50 = 120,000...

But it's not all...If look on it so, then VegettoSsj is weakest than Shin Buu. So, if Buu has been absorb somebody else hmm...Gotenksu, Piccolo or Gohan... So, there VegettoSsj is for Buu nobody. Or better if this multiplier Ssj was only 5x?? what now? Vegetto is sux ? xD

I be mistaken?? or you fuck what will come for you on thought?

Never mind! what you will give numbers for not Goku and Vegeta, it and it will not change fact with powerlevel Buu. And multiplier's was unchange in time...

That's why your history with Gotenksu Ssj, that he is strongest than Goku Ssj3, is wrong.

Now i don't know why, you will give they 3-4x between Maijn and Shin Buu...if Gotenksu Ssj > bit > then Goku Ssj3....i don't understand it...sorry

Pober · 06-02-2008

Sorry for dual post, but last my think:

without number's it look like :
Gotenksu Ssj >= Goku Ssj3, it going to Gotenksu Ssj3 >>>>>>>>> Goku Ssj3
Goku Ssj3 >= Maijn Buu, Gotenksu Ssj3 >= Shin Buu...

but different between Maijn Buu and Shin is >>>>>>>>> (she same what between Gotenksu Ssj3 and Goku Ssj3).

it give us this Vegetto Ssj <= Shin Buu....and this is nonsense

gad_is_here · 06-02-2008

I'm on a search to ind the legendary yet small brain Pober lost

TobiGoodBoy · 06-02-2008

Clearly none of you have listened to me so I'm gonig to post my opinion yet again.

SSJ3 Goku: 1,000
Fat Buu: 850
Gotenks (Pre ROSAT): 200
Gotenks (Post ROSAT): 260
SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT): 1,000
SSJ Gotenks (Post ROSAT): 1,300
Super Buu: 36,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 39,000

Pober · 06-02-2008

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Originally Posted by gkrt

Clearly none of you have listened to me so I'm gonig to post my opinion yet again.

SSJ3 Goku: 1,000
Fat Buu: 850
Gotenks (Pre ROSAT): 200
Gotenks (Post ROSAT): 260
SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT): 1,000
SSJ Gotenks (Post ROSAT): 1,300
Super Buu: 36,000
SSJ3 Gotenks: 39,000

what is Vegetto power??

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

I'm on a search to ind the legendary yet small brain Pober lost

if you didn't understand basis, so stfu -.- i see who have no brain...you only can write something like fu,bufu,stfu... But parade with intellectuals already not.

Really, you do not understand, that as you will give Gotenksu Ssj over a lot Goku Ssj(i mean about Gotenksu Ssj > Goku Ssj3), so will be Vegetto weakest than ShinBuu?

Madness · 06-02-2008

WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA!

Pober, why is the difference between Gotenks SSJ and Goku SSJ3? Because you say it is?

Seriously, put down those fucking power level charts and that calculator and look at it again. With logic. And don't over think it.

For fucks sake! This board is full of fucking people who cannot see past fucking power levels!

In early DB and Z, yes, power levels are applicable. And I have nothing against you creating them for fun.

But DO NOT use them in fucking discussions of later Sagas that were not written with those stupid fucking numbers in mind! Do not let your calculations get in the way of the fucking manga itself!

[/rant]

Pober · 06-02-2008

There I counted nothing...

Look if Goku Ssj3 is equal with Fat Buu, and Gotenksu Ssj3 is equal with Super Buu...i put them equal only... and look at different...between Fat and Super Buu is the same what between Gotenksu Ssj3 and Goku Ssj3...and if you now use number's i take this numbers from table Devilz...but neve mind, all going to this "Vegetto Ssj is less or equal Super Buu..." and what now? this statement with "Gotenksu Ssj is stronger than Goku Ssj3" is wrong! what after absorb Piccolo,Goten,Trunks,Gohan?? now different between Vegetto Ssj and Gohan Buu is large for Buu...how you explain it? i know, we know only Ssj multiplier, but what we can do? i can use only letter and different will be the same, what now...

Madness · 06-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Pober

There I counted nothing...

Look if Goku Ssj3 is equal with Fat Buu, and Gotenksu Ssj3 is equal with Super Buu...i put them equal only... and look at different...between Fat and Super Buu is the same what between Gotenksu Ssj3 and Goku Ssj3...and if you now use number's i take this numbers from table Devilz...but neve mind, all going to this "Vegetto Ssj is less or equal Super Buu..." and what now? this statement with "Gotenksu Ssj is stronger than Goku Ssj3" is wrong! what after absorb Piccolo,Goten,Trunks,Gohan?? now different between Vegetto Ssj and Gohan Buu is large for Buu...how you explain it? i know, we know only Ssj multiplier, but what we can do? i can use only letter and different will be the same, what now...

What? Are you disputing that SSJ Vegetto was stronger than Super Buuhan?

And Super Buu isn't equal to Fat Buu. Not at all.

Pober · 06-02-2008

Yes, SSJ Vegetto was stronger than Super Buu, that's is in manga/anime/and my story with equal Buu's(Majin and Shin), but in somebody on this forum who wrote that "Gotenksu Ssj is stronger than Goku Ssj3" SSJ Vegetto was less than Shin Buu...and i only disput about it...

Madness · 06-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Pober

Yes, SSJ Vegetto was stronger than Super Buu, that's is in manga/anime/and my story with equal Buu's(Majin and Shin), but in somebody on this forum who wrote that "Gotenksu Ssj is stronger than Goku Ssj3" SSJ Vegetto was less than Shin Buu...and i only disput about it...

Gotenks SSJ IS stronger than Goku SSJ3. What's Vegetto got to do with it?

Sorata · 06-02-2008

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Gotenks SSJ IS stronger than Goku SSJ3

Normal logic disproves it.

Evil Vegeta · 06-02-2008

What exactly did SSJ3 Goku do better then SSJ Gotenks?

Madness · 06-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Normal logic disproves it.

So SSJ Gotenks, who is able to put up a fair fight against Super Buu is somehow weaker than the guy who didn't want to face him?

06-02-2008	#199 (permalink)
Pober (16) Master of Kaio-ken Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 507 Rep Power: 3	Re: Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? Sorry for dual post, but last my think: without number's it look like : Gotenksu Ssj >= Goku Ssj3, it going to Gotenksu Ssj3 >>>>>>>>> Goku Ssj3 Goku Ssj3 >= Maijn Buu, Gotenksu Ssj3 >= Shin Buu... but different between Maijn Buu and Shin is >>>>>>>>> (she same what between Gotenksu Ssj3 and Goku Ssj3). it give us this Vegetto Ssj <= Shin Buu....and this is nonsense

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gad_is_here (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,507 Blog Entries: 7 Rep Power: 77	Re: Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? I'm on a search to ind the legendary yet small brain Pober lost __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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TobiGoodBoy (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Under your bed. Posts: 2,256 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 78	Re: Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? Clearly none of you have listened to me so I'm gonig to post my opinion yet again. SSJ3 Goku: 1,000 Fat Buu: 850 Gotenks (Pre ROSAT): 200 Gotenks (Post ROSAT): 260 SSJ Gotenks (Pre ROSAT): 1,000 SSJ Gotenks (Post ROSAT): 1,300 Super Buu: 36,000 SSJ3 Gotenks: 39,000 __________________

06-02-2008	#204 (permalink)
Pober (16) Master of Kaio-ken Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 507 Rep Power: 3	Re: Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? There I counted nothing... Look if Goku Ssj3 is equal with Fat Buu, and Gotenksu Ssj3 is equal with Super Buu...i put them equal only... and look at different...between Fat and Super Buu is the same what between Gotenksu Ssj3 and Goku Ssj3...and if you now use number's i take this numbers from table Devilz...but neve mind, all going to this "Vegetto Ssj is less or equal Super Buu..." and what now? this statement with "Gotenksu Ssj is stronger than Goku Ssj3" is wrong! what after absorb Piccolo,Goten,Trunks,Gohan?? now different between Vegetto Ssj and Gohan Buu is large for Buu...how you explain it? i know, we know only Ssj multiplier, but what we can do? i can use only letter and different will be the same, what now...

06-02-2008	#206 (permalink)
Pober (16) Master of Kaio-ken Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 507 Rep Power: 3	Re: Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ? Yes, SSJ Vegetto was stronger than Super Buu, that's is in manga/anime/and my story with equal Buu's(Majin and Shin), but in somebody on this forum who wrote that "Gotenksu Ssj is stronger than Goku Ssj3" SSJ Vegetto was less than Shin Buu...and i only disput about it...