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Old 06-01-2008   #181 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it possible that Goku SSJ3 > Gotenks SSJ?

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Vegeta was ready to leave Buu when Goku said that,
Their plan was to blast his insides open so that they could escape (or maybe some other). Goku proved that he's unable to do even little harm inside Buu with his blast. It was a fluke that they saw the hole in his head. So yeah, after seing that Buu can form inside his own body i would call this hostile enviroment.

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Goku also stated that they were "weaker" then Buu, not limited in their attacks or power-up's.
I agree he was weaker but taking into consideration all the benefits Buu had his advantage could be for example 1,5x and still this would give him flawless victory.
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And what is multiplier of Buu fusion??
Buu doesn't fuse, he absorbs. There is no multiplier to his battle power after he absorbs someone, he simply adds their ki and battle power to his own.

The only time that this changes is when Aku Buu absorbs Mr. Buu, as their merging fit the old expression, "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts" as well as how Pikkoro and Kami were before and after they re-merged. They were two halves of an original whole, and the resulting merging left them far more powerful than they would have been if you simply added their battle powers together.
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Old 06-01-2008   #183 (permalink)
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Their plan was to blast his insides open so that they could escape (or maybe some other). Goku proved that he's unable to do even little harm inside Buu with his blast. It was a fluke that they saw the hole in his head. So yeah, after seing that Buu can form inside his own body i would call this hostile enviroment.



I agree he was weaker but taking into consideration all the benefits Buu had his advantage could be for example 1,5x and still this would give him flawless victory.
Vegeta was ready to get out and Goku said: Wait, even if we get out, he's still stronger than both of us.
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if you think about this goku never really controled his ssj3 form so he didnt really know how high of a power he had so he probably knew gotenks would be stronger just basically on the priniciple at the power he had gotenks would be stronger
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Buu doesn't fuse, he absorbs. There is no multiplier to his battle power after he absorbs someone, he simply adds their ki and battle power to his own.
When i fight with you all some month ego you all said Buu have fusion -.- and now...my you write my statement...
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When i fight with you all some month ego you all said Buu have fusion -.- and now...my you write my statement...
I always believed Darkprince was intelligent enough to knows that addition=+ not x. Obviously, if Buu absorbs, it adds power, it doesn't multiply is power. If he absorbs someone on par with him then it'll double his power but it adds at the same time. Obviously logic tells you 2+2=2x2.
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When i fight with you all some month ego you all said Buu have fusion -.- and now...my you write my statement...
No, none of us ever said that Buu's absorptions were a form of fusion, as that came from you and only you as an incorrect way of trying to prove that Ssj3 Gotenkusu was only slightly stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu.

The only absorption by Buu that even remotely resembles the increase that a fusion would give is between Mr. Buu and Aku Buu, but I already explained why that is how it is.
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only you as an incorrect way of trying to prove that Ssj3 Gotenkusu was only slightly stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu.
Because it's true -.- ...
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Because it's true -.- ...
What is true? That Buu's absorption is like a fusion??
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Buu doesn't fuse, he absorbs. There is no multiplier to his battle power after he absorbs someone, he simply adds their ki and battle power to his own.

The only time that this changes is when Aku Buu absorbs Mr. Buu, as their merging fit the old expression, "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts" as well as how Pikkoro and Kami were before and after they re-merged. They were two halves of an original whole, and the resulting merging left them far more powerful than they would have been if you simply added their battle powers together.
Then you must believe that Super Boo is less than two times stronger than Kid Boo since Kid Boo+South Supreme Kai=Buff Boo.
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Because it's true -.- ...
If I had said Ssj Gotenkusu was only slightly stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu, then what you just said would have merit. But Ssj3 Gotenkusu is far stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu, and I've proven this to you several times.

Prince Vegeta, I'm one of those people that actually believe that the South Kaioushin-sama was stronger than Chibi Buu, because of his apparent need to absorb South Kaioushin-sama to win, whereas he didn't attempt to even try to when he fought a being that was more or less his equal (Ssj3 Gokuu)
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If I had said Ssj Gotenkusu was only slightly stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu, then what you just said would have merit. But Ssj3 Gotenkusu is far stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu, and I've proven this to you several times.

Prince Vegeta, I'm one of those people that actually believe that the South Kaioushin-sama was stronger than Chibi Buu, because of his apparent need to absorb South Kaioushin-sama to win, whereas he didn't attempt to even try to when he fought a being that was more or less his equal (Ssj3 Gokuu)
He would have to have been 5 times stronger than Kid Boo for thier combined power to add up to 6 times Kid Boo's power (which is in accordance with my calculations). I just don't find that possible. I just can't see South Supreme Kai being any more than say 1.5x Kid Boo's strength. Otherwise I am sure that Supreme Kai would have indicated that he could have overtaken Boo. Plus that would mean that Grand Supreme Kai is stronger than Buff Boo if we are to follow your logic (which is even more proposterous).
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I just dont get why if Goku told Buu that Gotenks would be stronger than him it doesnt have to mean that Gotenks would be stronger then Goku...He was just assuming so that buu would stop killing people since Goku didint have enough time left on the planet.

-The same goes the time when Vegeta was preparing to fight semi cell and when trunks said "is he already gonna transform" ....he was also assuming

So in my opinion one quote is not enough.
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no it is not possible because i see it as Super Vegeto >>>> SSJ3 Gotenks >>>>Super Buu >>>>SSJ3 Goku >>>>Chibi Buu >>>> Majin Buu >>>> SSJ Gotenks
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