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Old 05-21-2008   #31 (permalink)
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Goku blasted Chibi Buu twice but not with full power, he said himself ''That's what I've been trying to do, but he never let me the occasion'' it means Goku tried to find a way to do it, but he never did it.
He had every opportunity to do it, right at the start of the battle he already attacked Buu with a Kamehameha wave, if that was his full power the battle should have ended right there.

And which part of the fight did you get that quote from?
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And which part of the fight did you get that quote from?
It was actually never said.
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He had every opportunity to do it, right at the start of the battle he already attacked Buu with a Kamehameha wave, if that was his full power the battle should have ended right there.

And which part of the fight did you get that quote from?
It wasn't his full power, he wasn't that much suprised Buu was still alive. That quote comes straight from the french manga, I translated it to english, I don't know what was said in the viz translation though. If the meaning is much different, than the understanding will also be much different. The exact time I can be sure he never used his full power is when he said he never had the occasion.

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That wasn't in the viz
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It wasn't his full power, he wasn't that much suprised Buu was still alive.
So he was at full power at the start of the fight, unleashed a Kamehameha and didn't kill Buu? Doesn't agree with Vegeta's statement.
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So he was at full power at the start of the fight, unleashed a Kamehameha and didn't kill Buu? Doesn't agree with Vegeta's statement.
It doesn't mean everything he was doing was at full power. He said he was going to go all out, meaning he wasn't going to give everything. Even after Goku blasted Buu, he regenerated with no problem and there was no signs of Ki loss, it was nothing for him. If that was Goku's full power, there would be no reasons for him and Vegeta to believe Goku could kill him since it didn't weaken him and it never came close to be a threat for him.
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He said he was going to go all out, meaning he wasn't going to give everything.
I don't see how this makes sense.

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If that was Goku's full power, there would be no reasons for him and Vegeta to believe Goku could kill him since it didn't weaken him and it never came close to be a threat for him.
That's the point I've been trying to make. Goku can't reach his full power which is why it didn't kill Buu.
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Oh sorry, I meant ''It doesn't necessarly means he always use full power''



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That's the point I've been trying to make. Goku can't reach his full power which is why it didn't kill Buu.
He can reach it, what was said in the Viz translation when he replied to Vegeta about the fact he could obliterate Chibi Buu at full power? That's the quote that makes me think he can use his full power, well at least in the french manga.
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Default Re: So Goku was holding back against Kid Buu?

Goku stated that he was tryin to do that from the start, and Vegeta was shocked to hear that.
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Goku wanted to go all out, but couldn't
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Goku stated that he was tryin to do that from the start, and Vegeta was shocked to hear that.
Didn't he say Chibi Buu never let him the occasion or something in these lines?
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Default Re: So Goku was holding back against Kid Buu?

I thought Goku was going all out and was stronger, but like all Buu's, you have to be massively stronger to actually beat a Buu.
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Kid Buu > SSJ3 living Goku

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Default Re: So Goku was holding back against Kid Buu?

Whatever Goku was doing or intended on doing in his fight with Kid Buu, it was before he realized his living body wasn't as effective as his dead one. He found that out too late.

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That's what we know.
You've also claimed Kid Buu was owning Goku in the fight, and that's not true.
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Default Re: So Goku was holding back against Kid Buu?

At first the fight was even....Then Goku started losing energy dramatically and he started to get a whipping off Kid Buu. Then Vegeta says goku could have killed him with ease if he went all out at the beggining of the fight, Goku states this is possible but he hasnt had the chance yet, hence why SSJ3 Living Goku is no match for any Buu. Dead SSJ3 Goku IMO would pwn any Buu, except Super, Buff, Gotenks and Gohan Buu.
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