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Old 05-24-2008   #31 (permalink)
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SRP76, so what you're basically saying is that during the Cell Games, if Goku and Vegeta both had the same base PL, and then both went Super Saiyan (Goku having mastered the form, Vegeta using it to the same extent he did against Android 18 and 19) that they would both have the exact same PL? You've basically stated that achieving a mastery over the Super Saiyan Form does not actually increase the power you receive in it. So then whats the point of it at all?
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SRP76, so what you're basically saying is that during the Cell Games, if Goku and Vegeta both had the same base PL, and then both went Super Saiyan (Goku having mastered the form, Vegeta using it to the same extent he did against Android 18 and 19) that they would both have the exact same PL?
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Base Goku >>>> Base Vegeta

Super Saiyan Goku >>>> Super Saiyan Vegeta

It's just that simple. Goku and Gohan are just a lot more powerful than Vegeta.Same as usual.

Where exactly are people getting this idea that Vegeta's as strong as Goku in base form?!
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You didn't correctly read what I said. I was saying that at the Cell Games, if Goku and Vegeta were hypothetically at the same Base PL, would a Mastered Super Saiyan Goku be the exact same strength as a regular Super Saiyan Vegeta? That's what I was asking, if they were at the same base strength hypothetically, wouldn't the MSSJ give more power.
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If Goku and Vegeta were hypothetically at the same Base PL, would a Mastered Super Saiyan Goku be the exact same strength as a regular Super Saiyan Vegeta?
Yes.
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Android 19 and 20 have no Ki.
They are Androids!
(Just a Joke,do not take it seriously)

Oh,yes, Hercule cannot be 75,If he was 75,he could break more than 14 bricks at once and he would be bulletproof!
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Regardless of how many people "scream" whatever, the manga states that they are Super Saiyans. Manga >>>>>>> a billion screaming people, ever day.
Oh did I forget to mention, you might know three of those 50 people, their names were Vegeta, Trunks, and Piccolo. Seriously, why so much emphasis on
"Oh look I MASTERED the Super Saiyan Form. Now I am more powerful than ever because the energy I used before to maintain the transformation is now being used to boost my power"
"Damn that kakarot, he has found the best way to improve his power, which is to MASTER the original super Saiyan form rather than making these crayzee new forms"

Not actual quotes, but the general idea of what they were saying, I only have scanlation so I will not post quotes from that...

On that note also, there is a connection between that and disproving the multiplier theory, but it just slipped straight from my mind... I will post it if I remember the damn thing.

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Oh,yes, Hercule cannot be 75,If he was 75,he could break more than 14 bricks at once and he would be bulletproof!
According to the Daizenshuu there are multiple compeditors from Dragon Balls with power levels around 75. If his power level wasn't higher than every regular human, one would surely come and kick his ass to claim the 10 million zennies
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Interesting idea with a SSJ boost. I think it actually makes more sense that a multiplyer.
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That's flawed logic, it's a stated fact the tournament lacked competition the year the Z Fighters decided to not show up and the year they showed up. Do you believe Jewel, Killa, and Hercule would've passed the preliminaries during the tournaments in DragonBall? Let's not forget he was champ only once, and all the tournaments after that were fixed for him to win. Would you also put Hercule over Son Goku at the start of DB?
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Would you also put Hercule over Son Goku at the start of DB?
Yes I would.
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I don't believe I was speaking to you. =/
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I don't believe I'm not allowed to reply.
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I believe I was only kidding. >_>
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I believe I don't believe you.

Whatever.

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Son Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball was already superhuman, there's no way that Hercule had surpassed him, at least not to that degree.
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Regardless of how many people "scream" whatever, the manga states that they are Super Saiyans.
Okay? The so-called "Ultra Super Saiyans" were Super Saiyans too, but they were stronger than regular Super Saiyans. Why would "Full Power Super Saiyan" be any different?
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