USSJed

The hell? I always thought (from what I have seen on every site but this one) that SSJ was x50 of base power, SSJ2 was x100 of base power, and SSJ3 was x300 of base power.

Which is good, because theres none of that "SSJ2 is SSJ1*3.56/ Base power level at 50 years old*rubarb*34" nonsense.

uki1234

The multiplier is shown to be less than 50 times numerous times(kiri metar...).

SSJ2 is:

"Super Saiyan beyond Super Saiyan"

The definition for SSJ2 tells us that SSJ2 is SSJ * SSJ.

"Which is good, because theres none of that "SSJ2 is SSJ1*3.56/ Base power level at 50 years old*rubarb*34" nonsense."

I have no idea of what are you talking about.

Madness

Yeah because the disc dodging is a HUGE part of the plot.

And just because it's the "Super Saiyan beyind Super Saiyan" doesn't suggest anything about it's multipliers.

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Madness

Aha, a post from the legend himself. I'll do my best to reply to your comments.

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Originally Posted by LegendarySSJ7 That aside, I wouldn't even say Mirai Gohan was that strong - his statement and air of respect for his father generally alluded to the wall of power achieved in his life time, and even though he felt his chi signature post-Yardrat, I'm not sure his chi-sensing capacities were that attuned by that point.

Well I take his statements towards Goku's strength with a few nostalgic pinches. We have a tendency to remember things as being greater than they are. Besides, whoever said he was talking about Goku's power when he talks about him so?

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Originally Posted by LegendarySSJ7 As for this whole thread, I am in agreeance that the multiplier being anyplace lower than any Kaio-ken level is somewhat convoluted, but I think it's more about the level of volume of power and effectualness of it rather than sheer augmentation. And, to reiterate, Toriyama-sensei probably never contemplated these things - whether the multiplier even could be reduced to rudimentary number relations is a quarrel to fly into.

Whether Toriyama contemplated them or not is another matter, and I don't really think he thought much about what he was making after the Cell Arc. The amount of chops-and-changes in power, protagonist and antagonist pretty much signals that. I really think he was doing a half-arsed job by then, and the fans getting in the way constantly wouldn't have helped. I think he just wanted it over with.

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USSJed

I constantly hear about this Kiri meter thing, will someone please explain the readings it gets and how they show the power of SSJ being less than x50! Also please show me another time, you don't say "...Numerous times, such as this one example I can give you"

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That aside, I wouldn't even say Mirai Gohan was that strong - his statement and air of respect for his father generally alluded to the wall of power achieved in his life time

I agree that Future Gohan is weak, the scanlated manga I have has him saying things to the effect of "I wear my father's Gi, so that perhaps one day I can become as strong as him" If this isn't a serious mistranslation, then the idea behind this is that Gohan is weaker than Goku fighting the androids in that timeline, which is much weaker than Goku fighting the androids in the DBZ timeline

Madness

Basically, Goku's "Kiri meter" reading was 3000. Yakon's full power was 800. People assume that Yakon was at his full power and that Goku's base (which was never measured) was at 800 too.

This is the idiocy of the Kiri.

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

In the Japanese version, he says, "I made it thinking that if I wore it, I could become strong, just like my dead father. I guess it's not that easy..."

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USSJed

I found something that might help... beware, terrible translations ahead.

Base Goku: Gets good workout using 2 ton weights, but would have a hell of a time using 40 ton weights

Super Saiyan Goku: 2 ton weights are nothing, 40 ton weights are nothing.

Vegeta trained at 300g, and apparantly an arm is 5% of body weight, so if Vegeta was 60kg(thats what my crappy scanlation says), thats 900kg per arm. Making base Goku(start of majin saga) twice the strength of base Vegeta(end of trunks saga) or something...

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uki1234

Akira sucks when it comes to gravity. Goku in dragonball could lift a car which weighs over a ton, with Pl far less than 100.

USSJed

.... I don't remember that, but I am sure it happened. Good point there...

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USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000

Madness

Pretty much the first scene. He picks up Bulma's car and throws it.

And weight is not the same as gravity.

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USSJed

What he means is(I think), Kid Goku, power level 10, picked up a 1 ton car(plus), now Majin Saga base Goku, power level ????? is having some trouble with 2 tons with 1 arm.

Thats so bullshit I think it needs to be ignored.... but it does happen. Perhaps the car is made of lightweight materials?

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USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000

uki1234

And then you have that kid Trunks had problems with 100g, with Pl far greater than 90,000. Seriously Akira sucks when it comes to gravity...

Madness

You simply ignore the features with gravity. It's easy.

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