Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible - Page 6

uki1234 · 05-15-2008

I'm so bored of going through this again. IT IS SHOWN THAT GOKU'S POWER INCREASED GREATLY NEAR THE END OF HIS FIGHT WITH FRIEZA COMPARED TO BEGGINING. EVEN THE WALLS WOULD HAVE LEARNED IT BY NOW.

Madness · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

I'm so bored of going through this again. IT IS SHOWN THAT GOKU'S POWER INCREASED GREATLY NEAR THE END OF HIS FIGHT WITH FRIEZA COMPARED TO BEGGINING. EVEN THE WALLS WOULD HAVE LEARNED IT BY NOW.

... except that it isn't shown. At all. Ever.

lol

uki1234 · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

... except that it isn't shown. At all. Ever.

lol

For any1 who knows what a reason is, it is shown, cos Goku dodged the disc.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-15-2008

And? Goku looks very healthy after he climbs out of the water.

uki1234 · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Chibi Mystic Gohan

And? Goku looks very healthy after he climbs out of the water.

What "And?" Its a direct proof that he got a zenkai.

"Goku looks very healthy"

Yea, and I'm a Santa Claus. When its stated what is criterion for getting Zenkai? When its said how much do you have to be beaten up to recieve one. Its only said that you need near death experience and Goku certainly got one, since if there weren't for Piccolo, he would die.

Zenkai's are always used for plot. Goku after his fight against Piccolo at the end of dragonball, got same wound Vegeta got when Krillin blasted him, and his power didn't increase at all.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-15-2008

How do you know his power didn't increase?

Evil Vegeta · 05-15-2008

He doesn't. Gohan was never stated to have a power increase when he fought Recoome, and yet, the battle with Ginyu/Goku shows otherwise; since his last stated power was measured over 10,000.

Madness · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

What "And?" Its a direct proof that he got a zenkai.

"Goku looks very healthy"

Yea, and I'm a Santa Claus. When its stated what is criterion for getting Zenkai? When its said how much do you have to be beaten up to recieve one. Its only said that you need near death experience and Goku certainly got one, since if there weren't for Piccolo, he would die.

Zenkai's are always used for plot. Goku after his fight against Piccolo at the end of dragonball, got same wound Vegeta got when Krillin blasted him, and his power didn't increase at all.

And the thing is, the plot didn't need one.

SRP76 · 05-15-2008

Gotenks is said to be somewhat even with Fat Buu.
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is shown to be somewhat even with Super Buu.

The gap from base to Super Saiyan 3 must be equal to the gap between Fat Buu and Super Buu.

If the multiplier is 50x, then that makes Super Buu 125,000x stronger than Fat Buu.

Yet, when he transformed, only Piccolo could sense it. He chastised Krillin for not noticing that change in ki.

So, explain how nobody would notice a guy suddenly getting 125,000x stronger.

Madness · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

Gotenks is said to be somewhat even with Fat Buu.
Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is shown to be somewhat even with Super Buu.

The gap from base to Super Saiyan 3 must be equal to the gap between Fat Buu and Super Buu.

If the multiplier is 50x, then that makes Super Buu 125,000x stronger than Fat Buu.

Yet, when he transformed, only Piccolo could sense it. He chastised Krillin for not noticing that change in ki.

So, explain how nobody would notice a guy suddenly getting 125,000x stronger.

What?

Did I ever say the multiplier from SSJ2 to SSJ3 was 50 times? No, I did not.

Base to Super Saiyan is 50 times IMO. SSJ2 and 3 I have no idea about and I am open to any suggestions.

SRP76 · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

What?

Did I ever say the multiplier from SSJ2 to SSJ3 was 50 times? No, I did not.

Base to Super Saiyan is 50 times IMO. SSJ2 and 3 I have no idea about and I am open to any suggestions.

It's the same.

"Super Saiyan beyond Super Saiyan". That's going Super Saiyan while already Super Saiyan. Same transformation, same power yield.

It wasn't "almost Super Saiyan, but not quite, maybe not even half, beyond Super Saiyan".

Madness · 05-15-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

It's the same.

"Super Saiyan beyond Super Saiyan". That's going Super Saiyan while already Super Saiyan. Same transformation, same power yield.

It wasn't "almost Super Saiyan, but not quite, maybe not even half, beyond Super Saiyan".

I do like the sound of that second one

TBH, tell that to the others. They make PL lists where SSJ2 is a 5 times increase from SSJ,and SSJ3 is a 3 times increase from SSJ2.

uki1234 · 05-16-2008

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I do like the sound of that second one

TBH, tell that to the others. They make PL lists where SSJ2 is a 5 times increase from SSJ,and SSJ3 is a 3 times increase from SSJ2.

FPSSJ replaces your base with SSJ form, so in fact when you transform from FPSSJ to SSJ2, its same when you transform from base to SSJ.

SSJ2 = SSJ * SSJ multiplier.

SSJ3 = SSJ * SSJ * SSJ multiplier.

So SSJ multiplier from base ought to be same as multiplier from SSJ to SSJ2.

uki1234 · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

And the thing is, the plot didn't need one.

It did, since Goku wouldn't be able to dodge the disc, and there a lot of situations in DBZ(like this with Gohan and Mirai Trunks, kiri metar, Vegeta leaving a footprint on 19's head in base...), which prove that 50 times increase is just silly to think about.

uki1234 · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Chibi Mystic Gohan

How do you know his power didn't increase?

Because no one noticed any increase in his chi.

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SRP76 (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,197 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 17	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible Gotenks is said to be somewhat even with Fat Buu. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks is shown to be somewhat even with Super Buu. The gap from base to Super Saiyan 3 must be equal to the gap between Fat Buu and Super Buu. If the multiplier is 50x, then that makes Super Buu 125,000x stronger than Fat Buu. Yet, when he transformed, only Piccolo could sense it. He chastised Krillin for not noticing that change in ki. So, explain how nobody would notice a guy suddenly getting 125,000x stronger.