Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible - Page 3

Devilz · 05-15-2008

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SSJ Vegeta<#18 50%

First time I've seen anyone put #18 twice as strong as Vegeta.

ANB · 05-15-2008

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First time I've seen anyone put #18 twice as strong as Vegeta.

I could have sworn she said "I was only using half my full strength". I might be wrong.

17 also told future Gohan he was using "half his full-strength". Gohan<Vegeta while 17>18.

Devilz · 05-15-2008

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I could have sworn she said "I was only using half my full strength". I might be wrong.

All she said was that she was holding back.

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17 also told future Gohan he was using "half his full-strength". Gohan<Vegeta while 17>18.

He said less than half. And I'm not sure what that last part is supposed to mean. The difference between Gohan and Vegeta is far greater than the difference between #17 and #18.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-15-2008

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Yakon was bleeding from the kick.

No he wasn't. But regardless, #19 made Vegeta bleed with a single punch. Cell's second form made Vegeta bleed.

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And Goku was on-guard and sensing Yakon's chi when he got cut.

Meaning? That just makes Goku look weak compared to Yakon.

ANB · 05-15-2008

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No he wasn't. But regardless, #19 made Vegeta bleed with a single punch. Cell's second form made Vegeta bleed.

His face was all red. It shows Goku wasn't holding back the kick.

And your other examples fail. No one knows how strong the androids were and Vegeta was not "WTFpwnt"Xstronger than Cell. He even noted that it was "quite an improvement".

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Meaning? That just makes Goku look weak compared to Yakon.

It shows they were not astronomically different!

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All she said was that she was holding back.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

Madness · 05-15-2008

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It shows they were not astronomically different!

Which, using my examples for supressed power levels, sounds about right to me.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-15-2008

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His face was all red. It shows Goku wasn't holding back the kick.

And your other examples fail. No one knows how strong the androids were and Vegeta was not "WTFpwnt"Xstronger than Cell. He even noted that it was "quite an improvement".

Okay? His face was red, that doesn't mean it was bleeding. You face gets red if you even get slapped.

And I think you must be trolling. Vegeta killed #19 like he was nothing. And he tossed Cell around easily, too. Did you even watch/read that fight? It was no contest. And there are other examples of weaker characters making stronger characters bleed, because I've seen at least 5 listed in debates. But I don't remember them all at the moment, I'll look around.

ANB · 05-15-2008

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Which, using my examples for supressed power levels, sounds about right to me.

So wait...your saying both Yakon and Goku were suppresed to 120...? What would be the point?

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Vegeta killed #19 like he was nothing. And he tossed Cell around easily, too. Did you even watch/read that fight? It was no contest. And there are other examples of weaker characters making stronger characters bleed, because I've seen at least 5 listed in debates. But I don't remember them all at the moment, I'll look around.

19, I agree. Cell, no. A 1.33x difference would be homicide. Vegeta's assault on Cell was no homicide; more like a "beat-down". I'd say they were closer to 1.14-1.2x apart.

But if Goku really kicked him square in the face and he was that much stronger then his head should have exploded--that's my point. His face was all bruised up and Yakon blinked just like a boxer does when they're "dazed". I've felt it before. Goku wasn't godmoding him. He had the advantage of chi-sensing. I would argue he is slightly stronger since Babadi wanted to be cheap and give Yakon the "home-field-advantage".

gad_is_here · 05-15-2008

Since Cell was holding back, I think even the 1.2x difference is a bit too big

deckzone3000 · 05-15-2008

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I'm sick of this Super Saiyan-bashing. I'm going to take a fucking stand against these... number-monkeys who don't like the 50 times multiplier because it makes their lists complicated.

Are you saying someone using lower multipliers makes the list too complicated to read, or are you saying people use lower multipliers because it's easier?

I hope you don't mean the second, because that's not true. Making SSJ = 50x for everyone would be much easier for someone creating a power level list.

uki1234 · 05-15-2008

To Chibi Mystic Gohan:

Do you know Japanese, and if you do would you please translate those two pages of kanzenban in first page of this topic?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-15-2008

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So wait...your saying both Yakon and Goku were suppresed to 120...? What would be the point?

Because fighters in Dragon Ball never go all out from the start? Never.

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19, I agree. Cell, no. A 1.33x difference would be homicide. Vegeta's assault on Cell was no homicide; more like a "beat-down". I'd say they were closer to 1.14-1.2x apart.

But if Goku really kicked him square in the face and he was that much stronger then his head should have exploded--that's my point. His face was all bruised up and Yakon blinked just like a boxer does when they're "dazed". I've felt it before. Goku wasn't godmoding him. He had the advantage of chi-sensing. I would argue he is slightly stronger since Babadi wanted to be cheap and give Yakon the "home-field-advantage".

Stop with these little percentage differences you keep throwing out there. I'm sure Toriyama never sat down and ran these calculations. I think it was more of a "a is stronger than b, so a's power level is 1,000, while b's is 800."

Anyway, that was my point. If #19 and Cell could make Vegeta bleed when they were clearly much weaker than him, if Goku just made Yakon red in the face, he's clearly a lot weaker than Yakon. Unless they weren't fighting at full strength!

gad_is_here · 05-15-2008

Personally, I've begun to hate PL's. They make no sense

Devilz · 05-15-2008

You just can't handle them, lol.

gad_is_here · 05-15-2008

05-15-2008	#39 (permalink)
gad_is_here (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,139 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 51	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible Since Cell was holding back, I think even the 1.2x difference is a bit too big __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible To Chibi Mystic Gohan: Do you know Japanese, and if you do would you please translate those two pages of kanzenban in first page of this topic?

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gad_is_here (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,139 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 51	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible Personally, I've begun to hate PL's. They make no sense __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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gad_is_here (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,139 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 51	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible May