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Old 05-22-2008   #181 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible

Well to the topic question.....uki goes for the 3-5 X multiplier and you for the 150,000,000 adding to the existing power level right?
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Its wrong because SSJ Trunks was training with Base Gohan with no hand. Base gohan would have to be a lot over 150,000,000, and we know that thats not possible, since he would far surpass level of Goku he was dreaming of surpassing. Thats clear contradiction.

Not to mention it would be impossible for him to get 1000 times stronger since Frieza saga while training on Earth and with no partner to train with.
I thought he just wanted to become strong, like his father. I know the crappy scanlation says "As strong as father" but what about the proper translation.

But the second thing worth mentioning is that perhaps Goku was much stronger in that alternate timeline? Perhaps in that alternate timeline Gohan found a magical crystal that increased his power or some shit. Who knows, you cannot use something like that as reliable evidence because it's alternate universe.

Third thing, Gohan has had 14 years to train since the arrival of the Androids. I think he could become 125x(+) stronger in that time, hell, he's a half Saiyan. Most multiplier power levels have Base Goku well over 150 million by the Buu saga, so why not Gohan in double the time?

Fourth and final. If he did infact say "As strong as father" he could easily be referring to Goku's never give up attitude and the likes of that. And besides, that "clear contradiction" you mentioned has Super Saiyan Gohan with 14 years to train weaker than the Goku who has done fuck all training after coming back from Frieza and that died from the heart virus.
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I thought it was stated that Mirai Gohan was as strong as 17, but couldn't ever fight each android on their own.
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Future 17 can kill Gohan using less than half his power as shown.
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Future 17 can kill Gohan using less than half his power as shown.
I've never seen the film. I'm going by what's stated on the DBZ Wiki page.
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If you're talking about the special then you are right about Gohan.
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If you're talking about the special then you are right about Gohan.
I think it's talking about the special, but I really have no idea.
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The manga and the TV special were a lot different. In the manga, #17 said he had beat him in their previous battle using less than half of his power.
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Third thing, Gohan has had 14 years to train since the arrival of the Androids. I think he could become 125x(+) stronger in that time, hell, he's a half Saiyan. Most multiplier power levels have Base Goku well over 150 million by the Buu saga, so why not Gohan in double the time?
It's worth noting that Tien recived a 800% power boost training with Kami before the Saiyans arrived. x125 for Gohan could be quite possibly within his grasp
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