Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible - Page 11

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Nope. Thats insane to even think about.

So is what you're saying. What happened during his fight is a fact. You can't disregard it with a simple, "WELL, HE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER!!"

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Originally Posted by uki1234

BTW. +147,000,000 is easily wrong when you look that Base Gohan trained with SSJ Mirai Trunks.

Who said it was the same increase for everyone? Or that it was a constant increase? Or that Toriyama was even thinking of power levels at that point in the series (hint: he discarded them at that point)?

By the way, the edit button exists for a reason, don't double post.

uki1234 · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Chibi Mystic Gohan

So is what you're saying. What happened during his fight is a fact. You can't disregard it with a simple, "WELL, HE'S THE MAIN CHARACTER!!"

Who said it was the same increase for everyone? Or that it was a constant increase? Or that Toriyama was even thinking of power levels at that point in the series (hint: he discarded them at that point)?

By the way, the edit button exists for a reason, don't double post.

I only said that he cant die cos he's main char, not that he cant get owned. Thats VERY huge difference.

If its not constant, then your additive system is not so different than multipliers at all. Whats the difference if you'll get 4 by multiplying 2 and 2 and adding 2 to 2 ??

So constant additive system doesn't work! END OF STORY!

BTW. I don't care about edit button.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

I only said that he cant die cos he's main char, not that he cant get owned. Thats VERY huge difference.

lolwut?

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Originally Posted by uki1234

If its not constant, then your additive system is not so different than multipliers at all. Whats the difference if you'll get 4 by multiplying 2 and 2 and adding 2 to 2 ??

So constant additive system doesn't work! END OF STORY!

Because of one page? A page with Gohan training a kid? There are far more things against the multiplier theory.

I think neither system really has to work, because power levels were discarded by that point. Toriyama wasn't thinking in terms of power levels anymore, so it makes it seems like their are plotholes later when you try to work in power levels for the later sagas.

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Originally Posted by uki1234

BTW. I don't care about edit button.

You clutter the topic when you double post, and it's against the rules...

uki1234 · 05-20-2008

If you haven't noticed Goku only dies so he can have most intense training there is... There is a difference between dying and then returning stronger then ever and staying dead forever as he would have if Frieza have killed him.

Yes, because of one page

. Whats difference if there is one or 50 pages that prove it wrong?

There are none things against multiplier theory. After all power increases are about multipliers - Oozaru, kaioken...

remixremix · 05-20-2008

Is it really possible that it just add 150,000,000 because goku went from 3 mill to 150 mill and like i know it s never stated that there is a multiplier after all....

Evil Vegeta · 05-20-2008

No, since that makes no sense. Goku's muliplier for SSJ against Freeza was beyond 50x by the way.

remixremix · 05-20-2008

And why doesnt make it make sense to add 150,00,00 to his existing power level?

uki1234 · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

And why doesnt make it make sense to add 150,00,00 to his existing power level?

Because SSJ Trunks training with Base Gohan with no hand. Base gohan would have to be a lot over 150,000,000, and we know that thats not possible, since he would far surpass level of Goku he was dreaming of surpassing.

Not to mention it would be impossible for him to get 1000 times stronger since Frieza saga while training on Earth and with no partner to train with.

Evil Vegeta · 05-20-2008

Goku's power level was likely below 100,000 when he was finished using ths spirit-bomb on Freeza. If you just do the 150+ thing, it looks sloppy.

Madness · 05-20-2008

Then what's the answer? A multiplier of 1500x?

uki1234 · 05-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Then what's the answer? A multiplier of 1500x?

Healed + Zenkai + 3x-5x SSJ multiplier.

Devilz · 05-20-2008

It means he was healed upon the transformation.

Evil Vegeta · 05-20-2008

Or he reached his base power and went SSJ from that specific power level?

Madness · 05-20-2008

There's no evidence for healing, and I don't think Toriyama-sensei meant for one.

USSJed · 05-21-2008

Or, instead of this magical healing, it goes from 100,000 to 150,100,000 with a +150,000,000 bonus? That makes infinitely more sense to me.

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uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,205 Rep Power: 11	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible If you haven't noticed Goku only dies so he can have most intense training there is... There is a difference between dying and then returning stronger then ever and staying dead forever as he would have if Frieza have killed him. Yes, because of one page . Whats difference if there is one or 50 pages that prove it wrong? There are none things against multiplier theory. After all power increases are about multipliers - Oozaru, kaioken...

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Madness Commander Madness (29) King of Soul Society Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seeing how long I can make this entry, simply for lol reasons. Maybe I can make it stretch to the o- Posts: 8,814 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 127	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible Then what's the answer? A multiplier of 1500x? __________________

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Madness Commander Madness (29) King of Soul Society Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seeing how long I can make this entry, simply for lol reasons. Maybe I can make it stretch to the o- Posts: 8,814 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 127	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible There's no evidence for healing, and I don't think Toriyama-sensei meant for one. __________________

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USSJed (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,177 Rep Power: 36	Re: Why the 50 times SSJ multiplier is not impossible Or, instead of this magical healing, it goes from 100,000 to 150,100,000 with a +150,000,000 bonus? That makes infinitely more sense to me. __________________ Don't underestimate the Humans (Credit to Madness for Tien Photoshoppage) (Starring Wekillyouall as Tien)

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