Where do you place base fusions

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

I wanted to know, where do you place base fusions in terms of power. Personnaly, I always put their base ahead of the last form of the most powerful character that compose the fusion.

In my opinion.

Base Vegeto(Z)>SSJ3 Goku

Base Gotenks>(M)SSJ Trunks

Base Gogeta(GT)>SSJ4 Goku

Where do you guys place them?

Devilz · 05-11-2008

Base Vegito >>>> SSJ3 Goku
Base Gotenks >>>>>>>> SSJ Trunks
SSJ4 Goku > Base Gogeta (GT)

vicdmx · 05-11-2008

Base Vegito>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku

Base Gotenks>>>>>>>SSJ Trunks

SSJ4 Goku>>Base GOGETA(GT)

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

Base Vegito >>>> SSJ3 Goku
Base Gotenks >>>>>>>> SSJ Trunks
SSJ4 Goku > Base Gogeta (GT)

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

Base Vegito>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku

Base Gotenks>>>>>>>SSJ Trunks

SSJ4 Goku>>Base GOGETA(GT)

If you both place base Vegeto above SSJ3 Goku why don't you place base Gogeta above SSJ4 Goku. I just don't see how some parts of a fusion can exceed the fusion in terms of power.

vicdmx · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

If you both place base Vegeto above SSJ3 Goku why don't you place base Gogeta above SSJ4 Goku. I just don't see how some parts of a fusion can exceed the fusion in terms of power.

What the hell are you talking about?

Base Gogeta was never shown nor in dbz nor on dbgt and Base Gogeta would be near to SSJ Gotenk´s power in my opinion so SSJ4 Goku would just OWN him with ease.

Evil Vegeta · 05-11-2008

Base Vegito>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku

Base Gotenks>>>>>>>>SSJ Trunks

SSJ4 Goku>>>>>>>Base Gogeta

SSJ4 Goku is stated to be the most powerful warrior by Kaioshin, who saw the power of Super Vegito. SSJ4 Goku is more powerful then Super Vegito, so there you have it.

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by vicdmx

What the hell are you talking about?

Base Gogeta was never shown nor in dbz nor on dbgt and Base Gogeta would be near to SSJ Gotenk´s power in my opinion so SSJ4 Goku would just OWN him with ease.

I said that because I put base Gogeta higher than SSJ3 Gotenks, I think he is a little weaker than Vegeto who I believe at base is stronger than Shin Buu. If I place him even higher than SSJ3 Goku, not just a little but much higher, I still don't see why I would place SSJ4 Goku above him.

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Base Vegito>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku

Base Gotenks>>>>>>>>SSJ Trunks

SSJ4 Goku>>>>>>>Base Gogeta

SSJ4 Goku is stated to be the most powerful warrior by Kaioshin, who saw the power of Super Vegito. SSJ4 Goku is more powerful then Super Vegito, so there you have it.

Yeah, but up to that point, SSJ Goku his more powerful than is SSJ3 state in GT, if Goku became that strong and Vegeta didn't got any weaker, I don't see why Gogeta or Vegeto wouldn't have that boost in power. If SSJ Goku(GT)>SSJ3 Goku(Z) then I believe SSJ Vegeto(GT)>SSJ3 Vegeto(Z).

SSJ3 Vegeto in Z must be multiple times stronger than SSJ4 Goku, even if he was to revert to base in GT, I'd still place him a little above SSJ4 Goku. Maybe I give them too much power.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

I said that because I put base Gogeta higher than SSJ3 Gotenks.

Hilarious

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Hilarious

What's so funny. I place base Vegeto higher than SSJ3 Gotenks so I don't see a reason to not put base Gogeta at the same level. I edited my post to explain why by the way.

Evil Vegeta · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Maybe I give them too much power.

Yes. We know the fusion isn't just the powers together, as it unlocks many reserves of power. I doubt any type of base Gogeta could be superior to Super Vegito at his maximum; which automatically puts Gogeta at a disadvantage against SSJ4 Goku.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

What's so funny. I place base Vegeto higher than SSJ3 Gotenks so I don't see a reason to not put base Gogeta at the same level. I edited my post to explain why by the way.

Maybe because potara fusion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal fusion.

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Yes. We know the fusion isn't just the powers together, as it unlocks many reserves of power. I doubt any type of base Gogeta could be superior to Super Vegito at his maximum; which automatically puts Gogeta at a disadvantage against SSJ4 Goku.

I'll explain you, even if it seems way too stretched.

I put Vegeto and Gogeta at about the same level since there is nothing to suggest Vegeto is THAT much stronger. I think he is a little stronger. Now, I think you agree Base Vegeto>Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) it means(For me, as for you I don't know) Base Gogeta>Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed).

SSJ Goku in GT is stronger than SSJ3 Goku in Z. I believe Vegeta didn't lost much power in GT. Considering fusions seem to power-up much more than the some of their parts, it means SSJ Vegeto and SSJ Gogeta(GT)>SSJ3 Vegeto and SSJ3 Gogeta(Z). SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT) was much stronger than SSJ Gotenks(Pre ROSAT), fact is, the kids didn't gain any significant power, it means if the two beings who compose the fusion gain some power, the fusion will get even more power. Now, I don't know if you agree but that automatically means SSJ Gogeta(GT)>SSJ3 Gogeta(Z)

With SSJ Vegeto(Z) being stronger than SSJ3 Goku(GT), I see no reasons to not put SSJ Gogeta(Z) about as high as SSJ Vegeto(Z) meaning SSJ Gogeta(Z) is stronger than SSJ3 Goku(GT). Now, only SSJ4 Goku was stated to be stronger than SSJ Vegeto, there is nothing to suggest or imply SSJ3 Goku(GT) was anywhere near SSJ Vegeto(Z) in terms of power.

Now, if we agree SSJ Vegeto(Z)>SSJ3 Goku(GT), I think if we put the multiplier from SSJ to SSJ2 equal to the multiplier from SSJ3 to SSJ4, it puts SSJ2 Vegeto(Z) higher than SSJ4 Goku(GT). Keep in mind, Gogeta is about equal to Vegeto, so at worst SSJ2 Gogeta(GT) is equal to SSJ4 Goku(Z).

Now, let's sum it up.

SSJ Vegeto(GT)>SSJ Gogeta(GT)>SSJ3 Vegeto(Z)>SSJ3 Gogeta(Z)>SSJ2 Vegeto(Z)>SSJ2 Gogeta(Z)>/=SSJ4 Goku(Z)>SSJ Vegeto(Z)>SSJ Gogeta(Z)

If SSJ Gogeta(GT)>>>SSJ3 Gogeta(Z). I think if SSJ Gogeta(GT) reverted to his base form, that would put him below SSJ3 Gogeta(Z) but still higher than SSJ2 Gogeta(Z) as I don't think the multiplier from base to SSJ is as big or bigger than the multiplier from SSJ to SSJ3. With that said that makes.

SSJ3 Gogeta(Z)>>Base Gogeta(GT)>SSJ2 Gogeta(Z)>SSJ4 Goku.

You understand my point?

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Maybe because potara fusion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal fusion.

Sorry but no. I'm among the ones who got deeply into that and I can garantee you Vegeto is stronger than Gogeta but not by much.

Darkprince410 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Maybe because potara fusion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal fusion.

Considering there's no verifiable evidence to support this? The potara fusion is simply said to be better or superior to the fusion dance, but it's far more likely that it's due to the combination of how easy it is to use them, as well as the inherent increase of strength of the fusion due to the fighters not needing to synch their battle powers.

There's nothing that actually says that the potara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance.

Evil Vegeta · 05-11-2008

Oh, I get your point now. You were takin the power increases from GT into account when you were squaring base Gogeta off with SSJ4 Goku, and using the multiplier similiar in the Buu saga, just with more powerful fighters, right? If so, I see your point completely. Since SSJ Goku is more powerful then SSJ3 Goku (Z) their Gogeta or Vegito fusion would be above any higher level of SSJ with a lesser form because they're more powerful.

I understand it.

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

Considering there's no verifiable evidence to support this? The potara fusion is simply said to be better or superior to the fusion dance, but it's far more likely that it's due to the combination of how easy it is to use them, as well as the inherent increase of strength of the fusion due to the fighters not needing to synch their battle powers.

There's nothing that actually says that the potara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance.

Thank you, that way I won't bother arguing again.

Also, I would like to know your opinion on my last post. Just your commentary and what you think I've done wrong. It would be gladly appreciated, thank you.

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vicdmx (13) Great Ape Join Date: May 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 278 Rep Power: 1	Re: Where do you place base fusions Base Vegito>>>>>>SSJ3 Goku Base Gotenks>>>>>>>SSJ Trunks SSJ4 Goku>>Base GOGETA(GT)