Where do you place base fusions - Page 3

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-11-2008

No, that's why Vegito knows the Kamehameha and has the ability to blend it with the Big Bang. The evidence is right there. The Fusions obviously exhibit the memories of their previous forms, or else they wouldn't know anyone, so clearly they can remember how to do the techniques.

Anyway, I've always been iffy on Gotenks being able to reach SSJ3. From what I remember of the manga, I always assumed it was a Giji SSJ3, but that's a whole other can of worms that is entirely unrelated to this debate.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

No, that's why Vegito knows the Kamehameha and has the ability to blend it with the Big Bang. The evidence is right there. The Fusions obviously exhibit the memories of their previous forms, or else they wouldn't know anyone, so clearly they can remember how to do the techniques.

Anyway, I've always been iffy on Gotenks being able to reach SSJ3. From what I remember of the manga, I always assumed it was a Giji SSJ3, but that's a whole other can of worms that is entirely unrelated to this debate.

The bolded parts aren't in manga.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-11-2008

Hrm, you raise a valid point. However, having all the memories of the two components, as both Gotenks and Vegito clearly do, would indicate that they retain the knowledge to perform such techniques.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

Hrm, you raise a valid point. However, having all the memories of the two components, as both Gotenks and Vegito clearly do, would indicate that they retain the knowledge to perform such techniques.

Fused character is a special entity,and I think that memories, feelings, cockiness(:D) all things got mixed up, so if only Goku knew of kamehameha, Vegeto's knowledge of kamehameha would be diluted, and that would explain why fused character never used an attack or technique that only one char knew and used his own attacks like Gotenks.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-11-2008

I don't think so, it just seems too conflicting. I mean, Kibitokai seemed to maintain Shin's personality entirely, and seemed to be perfectly coherent about what was going on.

Diluting isn't a good word for it, I think, since the information is still all there. It's not like parts of it have disappeared. Even if it's a little mixed up, I still think he'd be better off working out how to use what he's got than creating an entirely new batch of moves from scratch.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-11-2008

Heres where I place them:

Vegito>=Mystic Gohan

Gotenks (Post-Rosat)>=<SSJ2 Teen Gohan

SSJ4 Goku>>>Theoretical base Gogeta (GT)>Final Form Bebi-Vegeta

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Heres where I place them:

Vegito>=Mystic Gohan

Gotenks (Post-Rosat)>=<SSJ2 Teen Gohan

SSJ4 Goku>>>Theoretical base Gogeta (GT)>Final Form Bebi-Vegeta

Good good. I place Base Gogeta(GT) higher than SSJ4 Goku acutally. Originally posted by me:

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I'll explain you, even if it seems way too stretched.

I put Vegeto and Gogeta at about the same level since there is nothing to suggest Vegeto is THAT much stronger. I think he is a little stronger. Now, I think you agree Base Vegeto>Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) it means(For me, as for you I don't know) Base Gogeta>Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed).

SSJ Goku in GT is stronger than SSJ3 Goku in Z. I believe Vegeta didn't lost much power in GT. Considering fusions seem to power-up much more than the some of their parts, it means SSJ Vegeto and SSJ Gogeta(GT)>SSJ3 Vegeto and SSJ3 Gogeta(Z). SSJ Gotenks(Post ROSAT) was much stronger than SSJ Gotenks(Pre ROSAT), fact is, the kids didn't gain any significant power, it means if the two beings who compose the fusion gain some power, the fusion will get even more power. Now, I don't know if you agree but that automatically means SSJ Gogeta(GT)>SSJ3 Gogeta(Z)

With SSJ Vegeto(Z) being stronger than SSJ3 Goku(GT), I see no reasons to not put SSJ Gogeta(Z) about as high as SSJ Vegeto(Z) meaning SSJ Gogeta(Z) is stronger than SSJ3 Goku(GT). Now, only SSJ4 Goku was stated to be stronger than SSJ Vegeto, there is nothing to suggest or imply SSJ3 Goku(GT) was anywhere near SSJ Vegeto(Z) in terms of power.

Now, if we agree SSJ Vegeto(Z)>SSJ3 Goku(GT), I think if we put the multiplier from SSJ to SSJ2 equal to the multiplier from SSJ3 to SSJ4, it puts SSJ2 Vegeto(Z) higher than SSJ4 Goku(GT). Keep in mind, Gogeta is about equal to Vegeto, so at worst SSJ2 Gogeta(GT) is equal to SSJ4 Goku(Z).

Now, let's sum it up.

SSJ Vegeto(GT)>SSJ Gogeta(GT)>SSJ3 Vegeto(Z)>SSJ3 Gogeta(Z)>SSJ2 Vegeto(Z)>SSJ2 Gogeta(Z)>/=SSJ4 Goku(Z)>SSJ Vegeto(Z)>SSJ Gogeta(Z)

If SSJ Gogeta(GT)>>>SSJ3 Gogeta(Z). I think if SSJ Gogeta(GT) reverted to his base form, that would put him below SSJ3 Gogeta(Z) but still higher than SSJ2 Gogeta(Z) as I don't think the multiplier from base to SSJ is as big or bigger than the multiplier from SSJ to SSJ3. With that said that makes.

SSJ3 Gogeta(Z)>>Base Gogeta(GT)>SSJ2 Gogeta(Z)>SSJ4 Goku.

stefzed54 · 05-11-2008

I have Base Vegito weaker than Super Buu.

I have Base Gogeta barely stronger than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.

NarutoFan · 05-11-2008

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I have Base Vegito weaker than Super Buu.

I have Base Gogeta barely stronger than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.

Why is there such a difference in power between the two fusions?

stefzed54 · 05-11-2008

I use a 500x multiplier for Potara and a 100x multiplier for dance.

**Majuub** · 05-11-2008

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I use a 500x multiplier for Potara and a 100x multiplier for dance.

Can I know what suggest the potaras are 5x stronger than the dance?

If you use a 500x multiplier for the potaras, how come you have base Vegeto weaker than Shin Buu??

Also, I see no one bothered reading my post above.

Devilz · 05-11-2008

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Can I know what suggest the potaras are 5x stronger than the dance?

Is that your favorite argument? Because starting it won't change anything, and it's way overdone.

stefzed54 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

If you use a 500x multiplier for the potaras, how come you have base Vegeto weaker than Shin Buu??

It's probably because of Goku and Vegeta's base strengths. By the way I made a mistake earlier, I use a 600x potara multiplier.

I have Goku at 1,000,000,000 and Vegeta at 800,000,000

So that's 1.8 x 600 = 1,080,000,000,000

I have Super Buu at like 1,800,000,000,000

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Good good. I place Base Gogeta(GT) higher than SSJ4 Goku acutally. Originally posted by me:

Interesting, Maybe your right.

Madness · 05-12-2008

You guys should know, Vegetto wasn't cocky; he was acting.

Well seeing as I place base Vegetto above SSJ3 Goku (and hell, even SSJ3 Gotenks) I'd place base Gogeta (GT) above SSJ4 Goku.

05-11-2008	#31 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Where do you place base fusions No, that's why Vegito knows the Kamehameha and has the ability to blend it with the Big Bang. The evidence is right there. The Fusions obviously exhibit the memories of their previous forms, or else they wouldn't know anyone, so clearly they can remember how to do the techniques. Anyway, I've always been iffy on Gotenks being able to reach SSJ3. From what I remember of the manga, I always assumed it was a Giji SSJ3, but that's a whole other can of worms that is entirely unrelated to this debate.

05-11-2008	#33 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Where do you place base fusions Hrm, you raise a valid point. However, having all the memories of the two components, as both Gotenks and Vegito clearly do, would indicate that they retain the knowledge to perform such techniques.

05-11-2008	#35 (permalink)
Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Where do you place base fusions I don't think so, it just seems too conflicting. I mean, Kibitokai seemed to maintain Shin's personality entirely, and seemed to be perfectly coherent about what was going on. Diluting isn't a good word for it, I think, since the information is still all there. It's not like parts of it have disappeared. Even if it's a little mixed up, I still think he'd be better off working out how to use what he's got than creating an entirely new batch of moves from scratch.

05-11-2008	#36 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124 Rep Power: 5	Re: Where do you place base fusions Heres where I place them: Vegito>=Mystic Gohan Gotenks (Post-Rosat)>=<SSJ2 Teen Gohan SSJ4 Goku>>>Theoretical base Gogeta (GT)>Final Form Bebi-Vegeta

05-11-2008	#40 (permalink)
stefzed54 (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,028 Rep Power: 3	Re: Where do you place base fusions I use a 500x multiplier for Potara and a 100x multiplier for dance.