Where do you place base fusions - Page 14

stefzed54 · 05-16-2008

You do realise Piccolo talks trash In The Buu Saga?

I remember when Super Buu when in ROSAT to confront Goten and Trunks, they began to fuse as base saiyans and Piccolo shat his pants.

**Majuub** · 05-16-2008

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Well, finally back on topic lol:

I have already said what I think about it:

The difference in chi between fat and Super Buu is very little in the beginning of fusion saga. First of all we see that Krillin couldn't see the difference in chi. Then we have Piccolo who only states that his chi and body have become better for fighting, not his power level, and we see that Goku wasn't near worried when Super Buu shouted, as he was when he and Vegeta had to fight him. Also we know that SSJ Gotenks raped Super Buu, and if Super Buu was on level he was against SSJ3 Gotenks,SSJ Gotenks's Super Ghost bla bla bla attack wouldn't even faze him. Also we have Piccolo's statment where base Gotenks stands a chance against Buu, and if Super Buu was on power level he was against SSJ3 Gotenks, it would be totally impossible for Piccolo to believe base Gotenks might stand a chance.
All this indicates that Super buu wasn't at full power when he shouted for the first time.

"Piccolo even said RIGHT AFTER GOTENKS HIT SUPER BUU: "......We're doomed....." "

He said "Or maybe he doesn't stand a chance"

This is obviously cos he realised that Super Buu was hiding some power.Also this doesn't mean that this is the judgment for power level. He could have said that only cos they suck in fighting and they are arrogant and aren't serious, use fancy techniques that don't do anything good.

So:
Super Buu(suppressed)>=Fat Buu - By Piccolo.

Super Buu(suppressed by the same amount as before)>= base Gotenks(post ROSAT) - again by Piccolo.

So:
base Gotenks(post ROSAT) ~ Fat Buu >> SSJ2 Goku.

No incarnations of Gotenks ''raped'' Shin Buu.

uki1234 · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

You do realise Piccolo talks trash In The Buu Saga?

I remember when Super Buu when in ROSAT to confront Goten and Trunks, they began to fuse as base saiyans and Piccolo shat his pants.

You do realise Piccolo talks trash In The Buu Saga?

Give an example, except this one. Piccolo was reliable char, when it comes to statements, so I dont see how that can change.

Of course since he didn't know that they can go SSJ as Gotenks, he didn't know how much they have powered up, and he knew what happened last time base Gotenks tried to fight buu.

uki1234 · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

No incarnations of Gotenks ''raped'' Shin Buu.

Didn't mean it literally.

I meant that he mangled him(even blown him to bits) with his attacks like Super Ghost bla bla bla...

**Majuub** · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Didn't mean it literally.

I meant that he mangled him(even blown him to bits) with his attacks like Super Ghost bla bla bla...

Yeah, Vegeta also destroyed a good portion of Chibi Buu's body and he also oblitereated Fat Buu and bullest pierced Shin Buu too. Damaging Buu isn't an impressive feat. SSJ Gotenks wasn't anwywhere near him in terms of power. Goku wanted SSJ Gotenks to deal with Fat Buu while SSJ3 Gotenks was barely enough for Shin Buu. The difference between Fat Buu and Shin Buu is the same difference between SSJ and SSJ3 Gotenks. If you think it isn't much, it's your opinion.

uki1234 · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Yeah, Vegeta also destroyed a good portion of Chibi Buu's body and he also oblitereated Fat Buu and bullest pierced Shin Buu too. Damaging Buu isn't an impressive feat. SSJ Gotenks wasn't anwywhere near him in terms of power. Goku wanted SSJ Gotenks to deal with Fat Buu while SSJ3 Gotenks was barely enough for Shin Buu. The difference between Fat Buu and Shin Buu is the same difference between SSJ and SSJ3 Gotenks. If you think it isn't much, it's your opinion.

You misunderstood me. I do think that Super Buu is faaaar stronger than Fat Buu, I just dont think he was using his full power until he shouted to leave ROSAT, after Piccolo destroyed the door.

**Majuub** · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

You misunderstood me. I do think that Super Buu is faaaar stronger than Fat Buu, I just dont think he was using his full power until he shouted to leave ROSAT, after Piccolo destroyed the door.

Oh ok, sorry. Well, it's obvious he wasn't using his full power, if he was, SSJ Gotenks would have been knocked out with one blow.

uki1234 · 05-16-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Oh ok, sorry. Well, it's obvious he wasn't using his full power, if he was, SSJ Gotenks would have been knocked out with one blow.

Thats why I think that Piccolo's statement can and should be reliable since:

1. He's Piccolo

2. The power difference between Super Buu(after "born" - using far less than full power)and fat buu is nothing really considerable since Krillin would have sensed it.The main difference in the beginning was different ki type than before. So in terms of power base Gotenks post ROSAT was close to that power, in other words to power of fat buu, which makes him stronger than any SSJ2.

Evil Vegeta · 05-16-2008

It doesn't matter that Krillin didn't sense his power from transforming. Goku sensed the power from Shin's planet, so it was a considerable increase at that point.

uki1234 · 05-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

It doesn't matter that Krillin didn't sense his power from transforming. Goku sensed the power from Shin's planet, so it was a considerable increase at that point.

Goku was always sensing Buu's chi on Kai's planet.

Goku was following the events that were having place on Earth. As soon as he saw the difference in chi structure he reacted by saying like:
"Whats happening to Majin Buu?"

Evil Vegeta · 05-17-2008

He wasn't following everything on earth. Vegeta was the one who told him about the Buu's splitting in two, and Goku didn't even sense any of that take place.

stefzed54 · 05-17-2008

If Goku knew about the world's population no longer existing after Super Buu's attack then he must have known that the buu that did it was far stronger than the buu he fought.

uki1234 · 05-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

He wasn't following everything on earth. Vegeta was the one who told him about the Buu's splitting in two, and Goku didn't even sense any of that take place.

What ? Vegeta was dead by the time Buu split in Wraith and Good Buu.

uki1234 · 05-17-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

If Goku knew about the world's population no longer existing after Super Buu's attack then he must have known that the buu that did it was far stronger than the buu he fought.

Ofc. not. Use your brain... Fat Buu had enough power to destroy Earth with his little finger, and everyone on it. Super Buu is just smarter so he invented a fancy attack how to kill them without damaging the Earth.

gad_is_here · 05-17-2008

Destroying the population = nothing. Vegeta in the saiyan saga could do it

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stefzed54 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 2,387 Rep Power: 71	Re: Where do you place base fusions You do realise Piccolo talks trash In The Buu Saga? I remember when Super Buu when in ROSAT to confront Goten and Trunks, they began to fuse as base saiyans and Piccolo shat his pants.

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stefzed54 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 2,387 Rep Power: 71	Re: Where do you place base fusions If Goku knew about the world's population no longer existing after Super Buu's attack then he must have known that the buu that did it was far stronger than the buu he fought.

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