stefzed54

There's nothing you can say that would make me believe Base Goten is stronger than Android 16.

NarutoFan

So, you disregard everything I just said, because it doesn't support your way of thinking? How mature.

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stefzed54

I read what you said, nothing implied they are stronger than the likes of 16.

It only showed that they could be on par with 18, not stronger.

NarutoFan

Also, I'd like you to know I don't have them stronger than #16. They're slightly weaker.

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stefzed54

You have them in the 800 Millions.

Too high dude.

Evil Vegeta

I think Trunks & Goten are around the power of #18 in their bases, and around Imperfect Cell when they exit the rosat room.

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Vegeta

I have them both around the 300 000 000s pre-RoSaT (base forms).

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SSJ4 Vegito

Well was it ever stated that Super Buu was suppressing his power level, and shouting at the top of your lungs isn't exactly "Suppressing" your level. Piccolo even says to Krillin: "Haven't you noticed the change in Buu's Chi" So he knows Super Buu>Fat Buu there have been plenty of times when the Z Fighters have overrated certain characters. Piccolo even said RIGHT AFTER GOTENKS HIT SUPER BUU: "......We're doomed....." so he went from celebrating (Over their increase) so he was COMPLETELY wrong, alot of the time people think other charcters can beat people even when they're unsuppressed look at Vegeta after Freiza goes into his Final Form he can sense levels like everyone else and he got his ass kicked. So in my eyes after Piccolo said they were doomed all that I get is that the kids increased a lot.

uki1234

The difference in chi between fat and Super Buu is very little in the beginning of fusion saga. First of all we see that Krillin couldn't see the difference in chi. Then we have Piccolo who only states that his chi and body have become better for fighting, not his power level, and we see that Goku wasn't near worried when Super Buu shouted, as he was when he and Vegeta had to fight him. Also we know that SSJ Gotenks raped Super Buu, and if Super Buu was on level he was against SSJ3 Gotenks,SSJ Gotenks's Super Ghost bla bla bla attack wouldn't even faze him. Also we have Piccolo's statment where base Gotenks stands a chance against Buu, and if Super Buu was on power level he was against SSJ3 Gotenks, it would be totally impossible for Piccolo to believe base Gotenks might stand a chance.
All this indicates that Super buu wasn't at full power when he shouted for the first time.

"Piccolo even said RIGHT AFTER GOTENKS HIT SUPER BUU: "......We're doomed....." "

He said "Or maybe he doesn't stand a chance"

This is obviously cos he realised that Super Buu was hiding some power.Also this doesn't mean that this is the judgment for power level. He could have said that only cos they suck in fighting and they are arrogant and aren't serious, use fancy techniques that doesn't do anything good.

So:
Super Buu(suppressed)>=Fat Buu - By Piccolo.

Super Buu(suppressed by the same amount as before)>= base Gotenks(post ROSAT) - again by Piccolo.

So:
base Gotenks(post ROSAT) ~ Fat Buu >> SSJ2 Goku.

deckzone3000

I have Goten and Trunks at base weaker than Frieza.

gad_is_here

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SRP76

Since when? You always claimed they were as strong as the Androids before.

stefzed54

You must have one huge multiplier then.

And how can they be weaker than Freiza when they put up a decent fight with 18? They were practically even.

Remixxx

They where not even....not close to being even..if they where even they would atleast land one punch on her

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Madness

When you factor in the fact that they were trying to act as one being (lol, fusion foreshadowing) they actually did pretty well against 18.

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