Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... - Page 4

Madness · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by SaiyajinPerfection

lol.

There is evidence though, the fact that characters' hair and clothes aren't ripped off when they move that that speed is all the evidence that you need.

Very true. But that's only one aspect.

SaiyajinPerfection · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Very true. But that's only one aspect.

Sorry dude, but that "one aspect" pretty much sums up everything.

Another aspect is the fact that Karin and Kami's Palaces are so high up in the sky that you could get altitude sickness by just ascending there and or decending. The air would be so thin that you'd need an extra oxygen supply or else you'd pass out. It would be really cold up there too.

When the character's launch a ki wave, there is the highly likely possibility that their hands and/or arms would explode from the shockwave. the shockwave would probably be so great that the character would be thrown backward from their own blast, even if they were grounded.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-12-2008

I simply cannot accept travelling faster than lightspeed due to the simple fact that you'd no longer be able to see where you're going at all. If you're going faster than light you're hitting stuff before you even know it's there.

We can see from the panels of him flying that he's not crashing into stuff, and so he's not travelling at beyond light speed, in my opinion.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 05-12-2008

Plus, anyone not going light speed wouldn't be able to see the characters moving a light speed.

gad_is_here · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

No, it doesn't "depend". No firearm ever made can propel a bullet even into percentages of the speed of light.

A fast bullet (most are much slower) travels at about 1,500 FEET per second. Light travels at 186,000 MILES per second.

That means light travels over 700 thousand times the speed of the fastest bullet.

Just because something moves faster than a person can see, doesn't mean it's moving anywhere even close to the speed of light.

I hate it when I get owned

Madness · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

I hate it when I get owned

Nice one.

And yes, I totally agree with you there Chibi and Vagrant.

One could make an arguement saying that the characters would sense the Ki rather than relying on their eyes, but that would mean that Ki is also faster than light, which isn't possible.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-12-2008

It would also mean that rocks have a ki output. This I absolutely refuse to believe.

Madness · 05-12-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

It would also mean that rocks have a ki output. This I absolutely refuse to believe.

I meant their opponents, but I see what you mean.

ANB · 05-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

I simply cannot accept travelling faster than lightspeed due to the simple fact that you'd no longer be able to see where you're going at all. If you're going faster than light you're hitting stuff before you even know it's there.

We can see from the panels of him flying that he's not crashing into stuff, and so he's not travelling at beyond light speed, in my opinion.

If a really fast person is running and looks ahead of them, they can see what is coming up. Even Nascar racers have good reaction time and insight while travelling hundreds of miles per hour. They're bodies become stronger and adapt to the high speeds at which they travel (including their eyes). When Goku finished his 100g's and turned the machine off, he tossed a rock as hard as he could and then raced after it, completely shocked at how fast he could move.

He [Gotenks] was outside the Earth for some of the times he flew around it, meaning he wouldn't even be in the atmosphere. True, meteors brun up when they are going thousands of miles per hour entering the atmosphere, but you don't see space-ships burning up, do you...? And the escape velocity of the Earth is beyond the speed of sound (21,000 mph).

Anyway, if you guys can't accept them being at the speed of light simply because it's "not realistic", than Dragonball=No R 4 U

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-13-2008

I don't question the good reflexes, but the simple fact of the matter is that NASCAR drivers cannot outrun light itself. At that speed you shouldn't be able to see because you're actually passing by objects before the light bouncing off them hits you.

Prince Vegeta · 05-13-2008

Since when has Dragonball made sense? I think it lost its credibility in the physics department long before Goten and Trunks were born. So... why apply physics now?

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-13-2008

Because light has never been shown to operate by any physics other than the ones that exist on Earth.

If you're going to argue that I can't apply physics, then this entire argument is pointless as by that facet you can't define the speed of light either.

Madness · 05-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Prince Vegeta

Since when has Dragonball made sense? I think it lost its credibility in the physics department long before Goten and Trunks were born. So... why apply physics now?

Because this topic is about THE SPEED OF LIGHT. If you can find some way to discuss that without bringing physics into it, be my guest.

ANB · 05-13-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

I don't question the good reflexes, but the simple fact of the matter is that NASCAR drivers cannot outrun light itself. At that speed you shouldn't be able to see because you're actually passing by objects before the light bouncing off them hits you.

Tha'ts actually not a very good counter-arguement.

Piccolo and Gohan were in the millions and could not even see the Death Beam coming. When Vegeta got his zenkai, he could not only track the beam's path but could dodge it as well--simply BECAUSE he was stronger. He also mentioned to Cui/Kiwi that his speed went along with his power. Freeza further emphasized this by outrunning Piccolo when he thought he had a speed advantage. Even in the Boo saga Toriyama does not forget this principle when he demonstrates Boo is much faster than Gohan--who, like Piccolo, imagined he could escape with his supposed speed advantage.

My point is, their eyes, reflexes, and bodies will get used to the new speed they have achieved. Undoubtedly, they were moving beyond the speed of sound during the Budokai days (Catching bullets, jumping thousands of feet into the air which would require being thousands of mph) so just imagine how much faster they are now. Moving at or higher than the speed of light does not change this power/speed correlation in Dragonball and you can't really argue against it.

Madness · 05-13-2008

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Originally Posted by ANB

Tha'ts actually not a very good counter-arguement.

Piccolo and Gohan were in the millions and could not even see the Death Beam coming. When Vegeta got his zenkai, he could not only track the beam's path but could dodge it as well--simply BECAUSE he was stronger. He also mentioned to Cui/Kiwi that his speed went along with his power. Freeza further emphasized this by outrunning Piccolo when he thought he had a speed advantage.

My point is, their eyes, reflexes, and bodies will get used to the new speed they have achieved. Moving at or higher than the speed of light does not change this power/speed correlation in Dragonball and you can't really argue against it.

Yes it does.

I don't see what you're not getting here. More powerful things are faster, as evidenced by Freeza's Freeza Beam, but once you break the speed of light you cannot see anything as you are moving faster than the light.

Lets go back to basics. Do you know how we see things? We don't see them per se, we see the light bouncing off them. If you're moving faster than the light, than you can't see it. You're gonna reach the object before the light, so you don't have anything to "illuminate" the way ahead.

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Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 272 Rep Power: 2	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... I simply cannot accept travelling faster than lightspeed due to the simple fact that you'd no longer be able to see where you're going at all. If you're going faster than light you're hitting stuff before you even know it's there. We can see from the panels of him flying that he's not crashing into stuff, and so he's not travelling at beyond light speed, in my opinion.

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Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 272 Rep Power: 2	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... It would also mean that rocks have a ki output. This I absolutely refuse to believe.

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Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 272 Rep Power: 2	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... I don't question the good reflexes, but the simple fact of the matter is that NASCAR drivers cannot outrun light itself. At that speed you shouldn't be able to see because you're actually passing by objects before the light bouncing off them hits you.

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Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 272 Rep Power: 2	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... Because light has never been shown to operate by any physics other than the ones that exist on Earth. If you're going to argue that I can't apply physics, then this entire argument is pointless as by that facet you can't define the speed of light either.