Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... - Page 30

Final Ultima · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

That's enough for us to know Freeza was far from his full-power.

Bullocks.

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Stop with the Jeice & Burter comparison, since neither could suppress their power or do anything like that; they battle with the power they have.

Wrong, they can power-up! With your logic Goku didn't power-up against 50% Freeza so he was holding back as well After Zenkai!

Evil Vegeta · 06-05-2008

I never said they couldn't power-up, I said they can't control their power. Krillin even stated that they were as powerful as Recoome, and none of them had a visible power-up. Goku used Kaioken x10 against 50% Freeza, so you're incorrect, again.

Madness · 06-05-2008

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Just cause Freeza didn't power-up he is holding back? What nonsense, Jeece and Butta were holding back against Goku then? Goku against 50% Freeza was holding back since he didn't power-up.

The Manga shows Freeza going all out against Trunks, the anime even showed him going all out (even tried to vaporize the planet in the process) and the Daizenshuu ALWAYS needs to be involved cause it's DRAGONBALL.

The manga never shows Freeza going all out against Trunks. You know why? Because Freeza needs to spend a long time powering up. That is shown and is stated fact.

Final Ultima · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

I never said they couldn't power-up, I said they can't control their power. Krillin even stated that they were as powerful as Recoome, and none of them had a visible power-up. Goku used Kaioken x10 against 50% Freeza, so you're incorrect, again.

Wrong, Goku fought Freeza BEFORE Kaioken, try again.

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The manga never shows Freeza going all out against Trunks. You know why? Because Freeza needs to spend a long time powering up. That is shown and is stated fact.

No it isn't, Freeza is fighting a Super Saiyan, plenty of evidence right there that he is not golding back. Just cause he didn't have a power-up means nothing.

Madness · 06-05-2008

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No it isn't, Freeza is fighting a Super Saiyan, plenty of evidence right there that he is not golding back. Just cause he didn't have a power-up means nothing.

No, he never shows a powerup. That means that he didn't. End of. Show me where Freeza is stated to go to his maximum without a lengthy powerup.

Evil Vegeta · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Final Ultima

Wrong, Goku fought Freeza BEFORE Kaioken, try again.

Neither Goku or Freeza powered-up because they were exactly even in that battle. You referenced to 50% Freeza, not me. Both weren't going all-out as stated by Piccolo. Try again.

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No it isn't, Freeza is fighting a Super Saiyan, plenty of evidence right there that he is not golding back. Just cause he didn't have a power-up means nothing.

Who cares? Freeza fired one beam at the damn guy and that was it. It doesn't matter if he was SSJ or not, a Freeza attack should do more damage to the environment if he was that powerful.

Final Ultima · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

No, he never shows a powerup. That means that he didn't. End of. Show me where Freeza is stated to go to his maximum without a lengthy powerup.

Bull, then Goku was holding back against 50% Freeza. Your logic ain't working.

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Neither Goku or Freeza powered-up because they were exactly even in that battle. You referenced to 50% Freeza, not me. Both weren't going all-out as stated by Piccolo. Try again.

Wrong, Goku was going all out it was FREEZA who wasn't. try again.

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Who cares? Freeza fired one beam at the damn guy and that was it. It doesn't matter if he was SSJ or not, a Freeza attack should do more damage to the environment if he was that powerful.

The damage to the enviornemnt was heavy cause we can see a mushroom cloud! Try again.

Madness · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Final Ultima

Bull, then Goku was holding back against 50% Freeza. Your logic ain't working.

No, Goku was never shown to have to have a lengthy powerup to use his full power. Freeza was. Your logic lacks conherency. Think before you say.

Final Ultima · 06-05-2008

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No, Goku was never shown to have to have a lengthy powerup to use his full power. Freeza was. Your logic lacks conherency. Think before you say.

What? Goku vs Nappa, Goku vs Ginyu? You fail!

Madness · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Final Ultima

What? Goku vs Nappa, Goku vs Ginyu? You fail!

Against Ginyu that powerup was never needed, it was to try and scare Ginyu off, as was the same for Nappa. Freeza states that he needs to power up.

Final Ultima · 06-05-2008

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Against Ginyu that powerup was never needed, it was to try and scare Ginyu off, as was the same for Nappa. Freeza states that he needs to power up.

I don't care, Goku powered-up, your logic is incorrect.

Madness · 06-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Final Ultima

I don't care, Goku powered-up, your logic is incorrect.

The circumstances of those two power-ups are different when compared to Freeza's mandatory power-up. Freeza has to power up to reach his maximum. Goku does not.

And don't talk to me like that; "I don't care" makes it sound like you're sticking your fingers in your ears and singing loudly. Don't be so childish.

Final Ultima · 06-05-2008

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The circumstances of those two power-ups are different when compared to Freeza's mandatory power-up. Freeza has to power up to reach his maximum. Goku does not.

LOL, this ain't even making sense. Goku powers up just for that purpose, to reach his maximum.

Evil Vegeta · 06-05-2008

Goku's power-up against Ginyu was to just how powerful he is without it being too fast for the scouters to read. Goku even stated that it would be more effective in bursts, so that comparison is not a good one.

By the way, stop comparing Goku to Freeza, since there power increases are different.

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