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i highly doubt gotenks was faster than the speed of light...

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Final Ultima

Your wrong, What's that got to do with the Saiyans?!

LOL just cause he didn't power-up he was holding back? So Jeese and Butta were holding back against Goku I guess. Freeza would never hold back against a Super Saiyan. And in Daizenshuu 2 pg. 10 (All battles section Trunks vs Freeza) It states that through the mechanics Freeza obtained even more power.

You guys always fail and go against the truth.

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Darkprince410

Considering that Gohan is half saiya-jin and his battle power didn't increase as a result of zenkai?

If he's not using his full strength then he's holding back, simple as that. Gohan provided evidence that the level of power Furiiza was exhibiting was nowhere near his full power, and at no point is he shown or hinted at raising his battle power.

Jiisu and Baata weren't capable of holding back against Gokuu because they can't suppress or hide their battle powers, and the Daizenshuu only points out that his maximum has increased, not that he's always at his maximum full time.

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Final Ultima

The canon and I said Saiyan........

LMAO Freeza holding abck against a Super Saiyan...This is just wrong. Retire from the internet.

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

1. Uhhhh, Saiyans get stronger after recovering from a near-death experience? Gohan is a Saiyan. He was healed by Dende after he was beaten to near-death by Boo. He did not power up at all (DIRECTLY STATED BY BOO).



"I-impossible...! His power's been restored to the same as before...!! Who is that strange little brat...?
...But he's only went back to the same as before... He hasn't powered up at all..."

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This means that Kaiôshin was right when he said that he brought Gohan past his limits. Gohan can't get any stronger, because he'd reached his limit.

2. We know Freeza was stronger after getting the mechancal parts. But did you forget this scene?



"F-Freeza has... that sort of... ridiculously huge ki...?"
"That's not it... He can become way, way stronger...!"

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Obviously, Freeza isn't at 100% power when he lands on Earth. And to reach 100%, he has to visibly power up and increase the size of his muscles...



Yet he never does. He only stays at his normal, puny size (probably at 50%) and is quickly killed by Trunks.



So, yes, he can get stronger, but he definitely wasn't fighting at 100% when he was killed by Trunks.

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Devilz

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Final Ultima

1. Gohan is a half saiyan not a Saiyan like Goku, who never stops growing.

2. You still saying Freeza held back against a Freakin super Saiyan because he didn't power-up? LMAO Geese and Buuta held back against Goku then. Prove to me his mechanical parts allowed him to bulk up?, Hold back against the very thing that whooped his ass on Namek..FAIL.

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Evil Vegeta

Even if he couldn't, you would think a signficant increase in power would be noted by someone. He only fired one beam at Trunks, which barely disrupted the environment; that's far from his full-power, but Ultima will never listen to reason.

Lol, is this Fatal Fury? Where did Geese come from?

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

1. What does it matter if he is a half Saiyan? That somehow makes him have less potential that full Saiyans? If anything, the opposite has always been implied in the series.

2. What don't you get? Freeza came to Earth using less than 100% power. He knew Goku wouldn't be there for three hours, so why would be be at 100% (which wastes his ki)?

Then, Trunks appears (who Freeza has no idea is a Super Saiyan at this point), and surprises Freeza with his transformation. Freeza fires a blast at Trunks, Trunks dodges, fires his own, which is dodged by King Cold and Freeza, and Trunks slices Freeza down the middle.

When did he have time to power up there? And need I remind you that you're being a hypocrite by ignoring Gohan's stated line?

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Madness

LOL "GEESE"!

Anyway, look at Freeza the whole time in that "battle". He was in denial that another Super Saiyan could exist. It's not hard to imagine that he wouldn't bother to power up.

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Final Ultima

No son, cause the ****in obvious don't need to be stated. Hold back against a Super Saiya, LMAO.

Freeza SAW/SEEN a Super Saiyan in his damn face and was told beforehand.

The book said SAIYAN.

No it's not what your getting, stating freeza held back against a Super Saiyan is automatic FAIL.

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Evil Vegeta

Ultima, you act like Freeza had more then a couple minutes to actually focus. Freeza got crazy, and fired one beam that didn't do nothin to do the environment, which you continously ignore because it disproves you idiotic claims.

If 50% Freeza could detonate the core of a planet with his attack, you mean to tell me a Freeza that's significantly more powerful then that one can do no more then a little explosion? Since, you know, he was using all of his power?

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

Gohan isn't a Saiyan now? And unless we're talking about different quotes on page 110 of Daizenshuu 2, it only says Goku has "infinite power." But it can be argued that that is an expression anyway...



You're just ignoring evidence by stating your opinion over and over again. Try actually countering my points.

1) Gohan says Freeza isn't using his full power yet when he lands
2) Freeza states that it would take him "a minute... no, 30 seconds" to reach 100% power while he was at 75%. Assuming that Freeza is even at 75% when he lands (he could be at 50% for all we know, making his power up time even longer), when did he stop for 30 seconds and power up after Trunks transformed?

COUNTER BOTH OF THESE POINTS.

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Lol, the Daizenshuu says Goku has infinite potential and you guys are still arguing about it...? Gohan is only half saiyajin, of course he'll reach a limit.

@Madness: No, I asked my Astronomy professor this very question. The escape velocity would be much higher. Of course, I didn't tell my interest came from DBZ...

@Chibi: So at this point, you're just beating around the bush and realize they will eventually reach the speed of light, regardless of how their speed increases...?

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