Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... - Page 22

Madness · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Final Ultima

To the topic at hand, the Saiya-jins are stated to have infinite potential so they can go lightspeed and above. That right there is canon fact and common sense. It would be ridiculous to say otherwise.

Well... not really infinite potential. And who said it? I'd like a reliable scan please

~~Final Ultima~~ · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

I recall Gohan reaching his maximum potential in the Buu Arc.

This is wrong.

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Well... not really infinite potential. And who said it? I'd like a reliable scan please

Vegeta, after he killed Dadoria.

USSJed · 06-03-2008

Was it that

"Frieza feared the infinite potential of the Saiyan race"

line?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Final Ultima

Wow, just wow.

To the topic at hand, the Saiya-jins are stated to have infinite potential so they can go lightspeed and above. That right there is canon fact and common sense. It would be ridiculous to say otherwise.

Uhhhh, that was simply an offhand comment made by Vegeta. Freeza said the same thing, but there's no way either of them could really know that. They had never seen a Saiyan with a battle power over 18,000.

ANB · 06-03-2008

This thread has officially become immortalized.

And to continue with the current train of thought: The math goes to show that they would eventually reach the speed of light. Dozens of examples show that speed correlates and is parallel with power. Someone two-times stronger isn't going to be two times faster...they're going to be more than twice as fast. Just do the math with the power-levels we're given. I did, and Freeza at 50% moves 200 mph.

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Uhhhh, that was simply an offhand comment made by Vegeta. Freeza said the same thing, but there's no way either of them could really know that. They had never seen a Saiyan with a battle power over 18,000.

Both Freeza and Vegeta knew of the Super-Saiyajin legend and took it seriously. Even Freeza admitted it would be paranoid to think Vegeta could catch up to him but was stunned by his rapid growth and acknowledged that rapid growth. He himself said it [Destroying planet Vegeta] was a wise maneuver to "nip the bud" and Dodoria mentioned there were many other saiyajins being born, like Vegeta, who showed rapid growth.

Besides, facts are facts.

Cableguy15 · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by ANB

This thread has officially become immortalized.

And to continue with the current train of thought: The math goes to show that they would eventually reach the speed of light. Dozens of examples show that speed correlates and is parallel with power. Someone two-times stronger isn't going to be two times faster...they're going to be more than twice as fast. Just do the math with the power-levels we're given. I did, and Freeza at 50% moves 200 mph.

He's way faster than 200 MPH if you ignore the lack of sonic booms. To put it simply, Krillin in the early part of dragonball was catching bullets. That gives him an incredible reaction speed. Reaction speeds and moving speed are never far off from eachother.

They probably broke sound speed some time in dragonball....

Of course, that's only in short bursts.

USSJed · 06-03-2008

The fastest human can run 100 meters in 9.78 seconds, and Master Roshi took 5.6 seconds.

Human PL:5
Roshi PL:139

If speed simply increased as your power level went up Roshi should have done it in 0.3 seconds. So my guess is there is some kind of limits or something.

ANB · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

He's way faster than 200 MPH if you ignore the lack of sonic booms. To put it simply, Krillin in the early part of dragonball was catching bullets. That gives him an incredible reaction speed. Reaction speeds and moving speed are never far off from eachother.

They probably broke sound speed some time in dragonball....

Of course, that's only in short bursts.

Actually, Deep Thought and I pointed out them breaking the sound barrier ourselves; showing they'd have to move 700 mph to catch those bullets. Bukujutsu>>>Running (something Chibi doesn't get. That, and the constantly reiterate fact speed goes along with power) which mean you can't say Roshi's top speed is 49 mph from when he ran to show Goku and Kuririn.

Anyway, my estimations come from this mind-set: that they broke the sound barrier in Dragonball. I did the math from Roshi's power-level and multiplyed by 10 so it wouldn't take forever. Also, Base Goku would have to be moving hundreds of thousands of mph to break the escape velocity of Kaio's planet (10x the gravity of Earth, which is 21,000 mph).

~~Final Ultima~~ · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Chibi Mystic Gohan

Uhhhh, that was simply an offhand comment made by Vegeta. Freeza said the same thing, but there's no way either of them could really know that. They had never seen a Saiyan with a battle power over 18,000.

The fact that the Saiyans NEVER...NEVER stop growing in power is proof. Their power is infinite.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by ANB

Someone two-times stronger isn't going to be two times faster...they're going to be more than twice as fast.

And you're evidence is...? Just saying "they look twice as fast to me" doesn't really prove anything.

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Originally Posted by ANB

Just do the math with the power-levels we're given. I did, and Freeza at 50% moves 200 mph.

"Doing the math" is something Toriyama never did, so why should we?

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Originally Posted by ANB

Both Freeza and Vegeta knew of the Super-Saiyajin legend and took it seriously. Even Freeza admitted it would be paranoid to think Vegeta could catch up to him but was stunned by his rapid growth and acknowledged that rapid growth. He himself said it [Destroying planet Vegeta] was a wise maneuver to "nip the bud" and Dodoria mentioned there were many other saiyajins being born, like Vegeta, who showed rapid growth.

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Originally Posted by ANB

Besides, facts are facts.

What does the Super Saiyan legend have to do with anything? It was simply a legend that they had heard of. They had no idea what his power level was (hell, Freeza didn't even believe it!). The fact remains that the highest battle power they had ever seen before Namek was 18,000 for a Saiyan. That doesn't seem like limitless potential to me, it seems like someone weaker than Dodoria.

How does one even reach the conclusion that someone has limitless potential? If it's the fact that they "keep getting stronger," by that logic anyone who is training and getting stronger could have unlimited potential, because "ZOMG THEY HAVEN'T STOPPED GETTING STRONGER!!!!11"

Also, does anyone remember where these statements happen? I wanted to check the Japanese term used in the Kanzenban for good measure.

~~Final Ultima~~ · 06-03-2008

Sigh, The fact that they continue to pass their limits makes them have endless potential. They NEVER reach a freakin limit. It's canon fact that they have infinite power and can reach lightspeed and above because of it.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · 06-03-2008

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Originally Posted by Final Ultima

Sigh, The fact that they continue to pass their limits makes them have endless potential. They NEVER reach a freakin limit. It's canon fact that they have infinite power and can reach lightspeed and above because of it.

The elder Kaiôshin talks about bringing Gohan passed his limits. That right there contradicts the statements by Freeza/Vegeta (if they actually said that...). He would know more about a person's potential, it's his specialty.

~~Final Ultima~~ · 06-03-2008

Wrong, that doesn't contradict any damn thing. Gohan simply didn't train or do crap so he got his dormant power released by another METHOD. Hell, your point only proves mine.

USSJed · 06-03-2008

I thought elder Kai unleashed all of Gohans power, every last drop of it. So if Mystic Gohan was PL:500,000,000,000,000 then thats the highest he will ever get, even if he trained for a hundred million years at x500000000 gravity in a hyperbolic space chamber that makes all power increases you get from training x1000000 higher.

Evil Vegeta · 06-03-2008

I seriously doubt anything Freeza, or Vegeta at that point, could be looked at as 100% fact. Freeza was cautious about the Saiyans gaining incredible power, and Vegeta was amazed by his new power, but in no way does that point to them havin "infinite potential"; even though I don't think it's wrong to believe they do.

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USSJed (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,178 Rep Power: 40	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... The fastest human can run 100 meters in 9.78 seconds, and Master Roshi took 5.6 seconds. Human PL:5 Roshi PL:139 If speed simply increased as your power level went up Roshi should have done it in 0.3 seconds. So my guess is there is some kind of limits or something.

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~~Final Ultima~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 893 Rep Power: 0	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... Sigh, The fact that they continue to pass their limits makes them have endless potential. They NEVER reach a freakin limit. It's canon fact that they have infinite power and can reach lightspeed and above because of it.

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~~Final Ultima~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 893 Rep Power: 0	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... Wrong, that doesn't contradict any damn thing. Gohan simply didn't train or do crap so he got his dormant power released by another METHOD. Hell, your point only proves mine.

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USSJed (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,178 Rep Power: 40	Re: Gotenks was FASTER than the speed of light... I thought elder Kai unleashed all of Gohans power, every last drop of it. So if Mystic Gohan was PL:500,000,000,000,000 then thats the highest he will ever get, even if he trained for a hundred million years at x500000000 gravity in a hyperbolic space chamber that makes all power increases you get from training x1000000 higher.