Vagrant Lustoid 2

Radiation is actually minute alpha, beta and gamma particles that go through the gaps between your own molecules. As such, doesn't matter how durable the molecules that compose your body are, you're still going to get affected. And no, force has nothing to do with it, which is why it's just as dangerous to be in a faulty nuclear reactor as to get caught by the radiation wave of a nuke. The reactor may not explode, but the radiation rolling out of its core will kill you dead.

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ANB

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Originally Posted by Madness Not missiles, nuclear warheads. There's a slight difference, and you've changed nothing with that point. We said that the force wouldn't kill them. We said the radiation would.

You yourselves said the missles Cell took were "nuclear". By using the broad term "nuke" in claiming that Goku could not take one, you are reffering to nuclear weapons in general, yes...?

He [Cell] didn't die from any "radiation". In fact, he was unscathed and Goku knew they would fail miserably beforehand.

So how would surviving a nuclear bomb be any more deadly...? Remember: Both the missles and the bomb are "nuclear" (By your own words), meaning: Both have radiation; one of which Cell took without any damage (physical or health-wise).

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Madness

Taking a leaf outta your book:

FACEPALM.

You misread me. I didn't mean that the missiles that attacked Cell were nuclear, I meant that there was a difference between those missles and nuclear missiles.

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Unruly_Saiyajin

Are you saying a Planetary Explosion does not contain radiation? Becuase I believe that the planet's core heating up and expanding causing the planet to basically evaporate and exploded outwards will cause Radiation...

And even if you say "Force doesn't matter" which it doesn't, I agree, wouldn't the minerals in the Planet evaporating and expanding outwards and being broken down cause radiation?

And if you somehow manage to pull a stupid comment to somehow disprove that theory, wouldn't the air or oxygen on the planet being broken down into different molecules and isotopes cause radiation? For example if air has this chemical composition..

Chemical
The Primary Atmospheric Industrial Gases Products: Nitrogen, Oxygen and Argon

Useful "Rare Gases" Found in Low Concentrations: Neon, Krypton and Xenon

Carbon Dioxide in Air: Current CO2 Concentration, Historical CO2 Levels, Rate of Change


Carbon dioxide can be broken down into different molecules such as Carbon-14 which is a radioactive isotope used to date fossils. However, if a large explosion happened these molecules would be formed which would cause a large amount of radiation, enough to Kill.

Now prove to me how Freiza died from the radiation on the planet...which he didn't

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Madness

I'll leave the real answer to Vagrant, but as for this... I can prove it. Look: he didn't die.

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Unruly_Saiyajin

Oh pshhhh I meant to say 'Prove to me Freiza died from radiation' my bad sorry all.

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Vagrant Lustoid 2

I don't have workable knowledge of chemical reactions in such detail, so I shan't answer scientifically, because I can't. However, if Freeza can survive in space, and survive being vivisected, and have a nigh-indestructible core, it is a possibility that radiation and illness cannot affect him either. Basically, I wouldn't bet on radiation affecting Freeza or Cell, given their different biologies and capacities, but since we see that Goku can get sick and for the most part is similar to a human (can breed with them) I find it reasonable to assume he can suffer radiation poisoning.

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ANB

-ANB: A nuke wouldn't kill Goku
-Madness: Yes, it would
-ANB: Goku has survived explosions far worse than nukes, and Freeza survived a planetary explosion
-Madness: No, see...he'd die from the radiation. It's nuclear.
-ANB: Cell survived missles!
-Madness: There is a difference between missles and nuclear warheads. They were nuclear warheads.
-ANB: So they were nuclear warheads; which mean they were radioactive; ergo: Cell survived nuclear radiation and so can anyone as strong as him.
-Madness: *Facepalm* not what I meant...

You keep changing your arguement just to oppose mine. e_e

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ANB

So in conclusion:

-They break the sound barrier when their power-level isn't even a thousand
-They approach the speed of light by the Freeza saga, doing the math
-They can apparently survive nuclear weapons (or is this undecided...?)


Next up: Proving they can survive the heat of the sun! >:D

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Unruly_Saiyajin

Cooler could survive the heat up the sun.
He was basically a sun, when he became Meta Cooler his brain was located in the Big Gete Star which was a giant mechanical object with a hydrogen fusion reactor. (That is what the sun uses Hydrogen Fusion.)

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Vagrant Lustoid 2

Actually, he never referred to the missiles hitting Cell as nuclear warheads, he simply stated "not missiles, nuclear warheads" with the meaning being that we're discussing nuclear warheads and as such Cell's survival of those missiles meaning nothing. It was confusing grammar, that's all.

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Madness

No... my grammar was unclear, like Vagrant said.

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ANB

Anyway...the reason you can no longer say "it's scientifically impossible" is because of this: Power ALWAYS goes along with speed. Always. This has never been contradcited, no, it was ALWAYS implemented and reiterated over and over and over even until the very last battle. Toriyama never forgot it for a reason even when he quit doing power-levels. Power always goes along with speed.

According to you, once they eventually reach the speed of light (which would evidently be during the Freeza saga), they would simply...no longer get any faster. That's actually what you're implying. This is one of the main reasons why I considered your arguement ("impossible", lol) frivolous in this debate: They would achieve that speed regardless of scientific contradictions. So it is in the series, supported by the series, and to say otherwise is to contradict firmly established rules in the series.


--Akuma No Bsrrakku

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Madness

Except it's never stated that power increases with speed. It's an assumption.

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

"With an increase in battle power comes an increase in speed, too."

But, as I've explained to ANB before, this doesn't at all imply that a guy who's twice as strong as another guy is twice as fast. That is an assumption.

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