Evil Vegeta

It was in the Ki output thread. You know, the one where you implied that Freeza maintained his 100% power on earth to battle SSJ Goku?

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Madness

Did I ever say I did? There is no evidence from inside the text that proves that these ideas do not apply. Whether Toriyama-sensei meant it to be so or not does not change that fact.

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Final Ultima

I pwned that thread cause the FACTS were on my side! Pfft..."Freeza didn't use full-power against a Super Saiya-jin!" LMAO, retire from the internet with that weak logic.

Yes it does..Cause he simply didn't have the ****ing numbers and crap in the series. That is from YOUR OWN arsenal.

Vagrant Lustoid 2

When dealing with the unknown you can only apply the known.

This is an absolute truth of debating, theorising and developing new evidence and facts.

With your silly concept of "Disprove my assumption that something is different despite no facts to support me" anyone could say anything. You're throwing another IPD into the discussion. So stop it.

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Ki and raw power are relative, however, speed isn't. This is the truth of Dragon Ball.

There are a bunch of different factors that directly affect speed. Just because an Oozaru is 10 times stronger than a Saiya-jin in their natural state doesn't mean that an Oozaru is ten times as fast. From what I gathered from the Saiya-jin arc Goku vs Vegeta battle, Oozaru Vegeta was roughly the same speed as himself in his natural form. However, he indeed looked faster because of his size: he could cover more distance in that form in a shorter amount of time.

That's the problem with these discussions, they never go anywhere because there's no way to prove or disprove anything related to physics in Dragon Ball. Toriyama has never elaborated on them, and they have never been really discussed in the series or Daizenshuu.

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ANB

Vegeta was playing with Goku. He wanted to show off his strength by punching very slowly. And he proved his speed by flicking Goku away with his tail. It is a fact that power goes along with speed, not an opinon. It is a fact that Vegeta was less than twice as strong as Kiwi and Zarbon but made a mockery of their speed. This principle is never dropped by Toriyama and he never forgets it even in the Boo saga.

No one's saying he got a fecking degree in physics; there are some things he has in the manga that would have to be looked up (Core of planets, breathing in space, gravity, the enormous distance between Namek and Earth requiring high-speed ships, etc.). And by "look-up" I mean just that; casual browsing through a science magazine or looking up a few things to make the series interesting. He even came up with his own unit: The zeno, and it even made sense the way Vegeta was talking. DBZ certainly obeys laws of physics and has room for discussion. At the same time people shouldn't be cop-outs by declaring "It's scientifically impossible, your theory fails" when Toriyama has broken several laws of physics.

Besides, I'm sure you'd think differently if I showed you my calculations. They didn't come out of thin air.

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Like I've already said, the situation with Goku, Butta and Captain Ginyu already proves that well enough. You might think, "well, there was never another situation like that in the series; it was an isolated incident," but I think that was probably the last point in the series where that could have happened. By that point in the series, everyone was still relatively around the same strength. After that, the main characters and the main bad guy would always have a huge gap in power. You can expect Vegeta to be faster that Perfect Cell, because Cell was that much stronger than Vegeta.

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Astner

You do realize that the series take no notification to the string theory? And I don't mean like separate parts from the boson string theory that differs from the M-string theory. I mean the string theory in general, what should be as clear as water.

I mean, what the hell, how did Trunks with his time-machine jumped fromone parallel dimension to another and then back to the exact same that he came from?
Not only would this, as well require above infinite energy (which proves that it isn't impossible) but the fact that he doesn't get into the wrong dimension as there is supose to be an infinite amount, some where space time doesn't even exist.
Another funny thing is, how could anything made out of matter hold for the infinite pressure of dimension lapping?

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Madness

We don't know. But it happened. So therefore, it canonically can happen in Dragon-verse.

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

Couldn't time machines theoretically have a feature that allowed the user to zero in on a specific dimension? Therefore, they would be able to return to their exact point of origin. I think I've heard of such a thing being utilized in science fiction before.

This would also allow him to go back to the main series' timeline over and over again.

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Final Ultima

I love the way people make these claims...WITH ABSOLUTELY NO FACTS TO BACK THEMSELVES UP WITH.

Devilz

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