Chibi Mystic Gohan

Maybe he was, you know, drowning?

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uki1234

Yea but he was crawling if you haven't noticed(he couldn't get up at all).

Madness

And then when Piccolo was wounded, he went down along with Kuririn. YET, Goku was the first to stand.

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uki1234

So?

Darkprince410

How are they irrelevant? Number six especially is one of the most relevant points there possibly could be, as for all we know, Furiiza's battle power could have dropped to the point that he was only in the low millions when he threw the ki-enzan, which would have resulted in their power gap being low enough that he could have dodged it without much difficulty.

The speed also is a relevant point, since you have no idea as to how fast it was going, and thus it's very possible that the Ki-enzan wasn't all that fast, resulting in Gokuu being able to dodge most of it.

He remained in his Ssj form afterwards because he had expended vital time in his final tussle with Furiiza, and needed the form's speed to make good his escape.

Your Ssj Torunkusu battle power now is so low that Bejiita wouldn't have had any difficulty in avoiding his volley of punches, but we clearly see that he was having considerable difficulty.

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

You think a person that was just downing could walk easily?

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uki1234

Is it so hard to call them Trunks, Vegeta... like everyone else?

"Furiiza's battle power could have dropped to the point that he was only in the low millions when he threw the ki-enzan"

So in whole fight his power decreases from lets say 140,000,000 to about 120,000,000 where he doesn't stand a chance, and then suddenly after a few seconds of STANDING, not fighting his power drops more than 100,000,000. Thats impossible.

Frieza obviously wanted to kill Goku, so it would be not serious to say that disc wasn't heading full speed, and as far as we know, there is no energy attack that goes slower than punch itself.

"and needed the form's speed to make good his escape."

And why would he risk the first time?

"Your Ssj Torunkusu battle power now is so low that Bejiita wouldn't have had any difficulty in avoiding his volley of punches, but we clearly see that he was having considerable difficulty."

Bejiita(lol) obviously wasn't at full power.

Its called element of surprise. Do you really think that Gohan had difficulties in dodging the rocks from Goten, cos he's around his base form?

Deep thought

How the fuck are they irrelevant/"false"?

Ugh, someone else said that to me, too, and I'm getting very annoyed by that. So, everyone gather round and listen, listen well:

THAT'S NOT WHEN GOKU TURNED SUPER SAYAJIN, HE TURNED INTO A SUPER SAYAJIN CLOSER TO THE FRAMES THAT I POSTED, LIKEWISE, VEGETA GOT A SENZU BEAN AROUND THE TIME OF EVENTS IN THE OTHER FRAMES.

Everyone got the message? Good.

CMG said everything else I wanted to say, thank god.

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uki1234

First of all, he wasn't downing, he just had problems with breathing, since he held his breath for long.

So by natural way as soon as he makes like two breaths to recover air he should be able to walk normally.

Deep thought

You've obviously never swam in your life, then.

Who says that Goku wasn't nearly drowning? You, and only you?

I've held my breath under water several times before in a contest, and it sure as hell took more than two breaths for me to "recover air".

Holding my breath underwater for as long as I like to is far different than drowning, too.

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Chibi Mystic Gohan

Why are you assuming that he got no water into his lungs? I think that he probably did, that's why he had trouble walking. He had to recover for a bit. And look! A panel or two later, he was fine. So what's your point? He was just fine before he transformed into a Super Saiyan. He just had trouble right after he got out of the water.

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uki1234

The Vegeta you shown being closer to sensu, than Goku to SSJ is irrelevant, since the important thing is how close you get to death.

Now you should listen:

THERE IS NO CHANCE IN HELL THAT YOU CAN RECOVER FROM COMPLETELY DRAINED TO FULL-ABLE TO FIGHT IN MATTER OF SECONDS. YOU DONT HAVE TO BE A FUCKING GENIUS TO REALIZE THAT! GOKU WAS UP BECAUSE OF SHOCK AND ANGER, NOT BECAUSE HE WAS WELL AND OK.

Madness

Don't make fun of DarkPrince. He's highly respected around here.

And Goku needed the speed to escape Namek's explosion, which wasn't so immenent the first time he tried to leave.

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uki1234

We don't see him spitting the water out do we? At first Krillin and others had to help him get up...

uki1234

I'm not making fun of him, its just that the name he used sounds funny to me. And I pretty much don't give a damn about respect.