SSJ Zenkai yes or no? - Page 8

Madness · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

I've just posted a power level list in my first comment, which shows about how 3x SSJ multiplier would work, so feel free to comment about it.

There's too many holes and too many presumptions in your theory, so it isn't really very sound.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

There's too many holes and too many presumptions in your theory, so it isn't really very sound.

You made up them.

Madness · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

You made up them.

No, I pointed them out. It's different.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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No, I pointed them out. It's different.

When you are talking nonsense like Goku had luck when he dodged the disc or Frieza missed, which are proved wrong, then you are making up holes that don't exist.

Madness · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

When you are talking nonsense like Goku had luck when he dodged the disc or Frieza missed, which are proved wrong, then you are making up holes that don't exist.

Or the fact that he seemed to be "healed" even before the SSJ transformation.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Or the fact that he seemed to be "healed" even before the SSJ transformation.

You made that up. Vegeta could stand after he got trashed by Ginyu force. Was he healed?

Madness · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

You made that up. Vegeta could stand after he got trashed by Ginyu force. Was he healed?

No, but it invalidates what you were saying, as Goku clearly had enough energy to try to continue the fight and to stand up before Kuririn.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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No, but it invalidates what you were saying, as Goku clearly had enough energy to try to continue the fight and to stand up before Kuririn.

What your brain somehow can't comprehend that Goku can't recover from completely injured to battle-ready in matter of seconds. Neither Vegeta could after Ginyu fight cos its impossible. Its called common sense.

Evil Vegeta · 05-11-2008

Vegeta was more pummeled then Goku was by the way.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Vegeta was more pummeled then Goku was by the way.

I hope you are kidding.

Darkprince410 · 05-11-2008

The most glaring problem in your list, which proves your theory is incorrect, is the fact that you have base form Torunkusu over four times as strong as Juuhachigou, though as we clearly see, she had the power advantage over them. They may have surprised her by their strength, but Goten and Torunkusu were still her inferiors by a decent margin while in their base forms.

Just because Gokuu was able to stand up under his own power and narrowly managed to avoid a Ki-enzan that Furiiza clearly made him aware of by shouting doesn't mean that he suddenly received a Zenkai or supports the notion that the Ssj multiplier is only a three fold increase, or supports that it's a static number at all.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

The most glaring problem in your list, which proves your theory is incorrect, is the fact that you have base form Torunkusu over four times as strong as Juuhachigou, though as we clearly see, she had the power advantage over them. They may have surprised her by their strength, but Goten and Torunkusu were still her inferiors by a decent margin while in their base forms.

That has been changed

Deep thought · 05-11-2008

Here's several reasons why Goku dodged the disc:

1. Akira wasn't really thinking about power levels when he drew those two frames.

2. It would be the stupidest ending ever if the disc hit.

3. Some Ki attacks are slower than the people who use them.

4. Freeza yelled prior to firing the attack, causing Goku to be alert.

5. Freeza somewhat missed.

6. Freeza's power was decreasing steadily.

7. Freeza's discs aren't that steady.

8. All of the above.

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I hope you are kidding.

Oh, for god's sake, just look at these two pictures.

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Oh, that's it, I'm using the manga, ironically enough, to prove my point.

Let's make this simple.

Here's Vegeta injured by Recoome:

Here's Goku Injured by Freeza:

It's not hard to see who's more injured.

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

Here's several reasons why Goku dodged the disc:

1. Akira wasn't really thinking about power levels when he drew those two frames.

2. It would be the stupidest ending ever if the disc hit.

3. Some Ki attacks are slower than the people who use them.

4. Freeza yelled prior to firing the attack, causing Goku to be alert.

5. Freeza somewhat missed.

6. Freeza's power was decreasing steadily.

7. Freeza's discs aren't that steady.

lol I bolded irrelevant/false ones.

About #1. You cant rely on it.

#2. Ofc it would, but why then Goku wasn't SSJ, as he was when he was leaving after he gave his energy to Frieza to survive?

uki1234 · 05-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

Oh, for god's sake, just look at these two pictures.

It's not hard to see who's more injured.

Yea it is not hard to conveniently evade using picture where it is shown that Goku's more injured than Vegeta.

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Darkprince410 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,578 Rep Power: 21	Re: SSJ Zenkai yes or no? The most glaring problem in your list, which proves your theory is incorrect, is the fact that you have base form Torunkusu over four times as strong as Juuhachigou, though as we clearly see, she had the power advantage over them. They may have surprised her by their strength, but Goten and Torunkusu were still her inferiors by a decent margin while in their base forms. Just because Gokuu was able to stand up under his own power and narrowly managed to avoid a Ki-enzan that Furiiza clearly made him aware of by shouting doesn't mean that he suddenly received a Zenkai or supports the notion that the Ssj multiplier is only a three fold increase, or supports that it's a static number at all. __________________