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Old 05-07-2008   #61 (permalink)
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Goku only reacted when he sensed disc's ki, so he didn't hear Frieza's screams.
Wrong. Freeza yelled out: "I'll never lose", then he launched the disk; it show's Goku actually look back at Freeza when he yelled, givin him enough time to evade the disk. He never sensed the energy of it at all.
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Goku standing on his own. At this point he was squaring off to fight Freeza again, so obviously he had enough power left to try and buy Krillin and Gohan time to escape.


Hell, Goku even stands up before Krillin!


The transformation itself. Note the lack of anything showing any healing taking place.


The final transformation. Note, again, the lack of any sign of healing.
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Wrong. Freeza yelled out: "I'll never lose", then he launched the disk; it show's Goku actually look back at Freeza when he yelled, givin him enough time to evade the disk. He never sensed the energy of it at all.
Do you know how to look?

He turned his head while disc was flying towards him indicating that he had sensed its ki, not when Frieza yelled.

And what are you talking about in first place? When an attack is 33 times stronger than you, you cant even see it.
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Goku standing on his own. At this point he was squaring off to fight Freeza again, so obviously he had enough power left to try and buy Krillin and Gohan time to escape.


Hell, Goku even stands up before Krillin!


The transformation itself. Note the lack of anything showing any healing taking place.


The final transformation. Note, again, the lack of any sign of healing.


Did Vegeta get any sign (in appearance) of healing after he got sensu?
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Do you know how to look?

He turned his head while disc was flying towards him indicating that he had sensed its ki, not when Frieza yelled.

And what are you talking about in first place? When an attack is 33 times stronger than you, you cant even see it.
It doesn't even matter. Goku had enough time to react to the disk before it had a chance to hit him. You act like the disk was directly behind him when he turned around, which it wasn't. Also; it almost got him, he didn't swiftly dodge the disk with ease like you believe he did.

Freeza even knew he nearly got him, so his base power increasing to 50,000,000 is still not correct. Maybe he's about 10,000,000 or a bit more, but nothin around that absurd margin of power.
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Attacks don't move as fast as the person can. Plus 100% Freiza was VERY badly injured and his Ki was fading very fast as well. Look at Mystic Gohan vs. Super Gotenks Buu: Gohan breaks out of the Galactic Donates about the same time as the Kamehameha is launched and he is able to evade the Kamehameha and yet he can't follow Gotenks Buu's movements at all. Trunks didn't show any effort dodging Goten's Kamehameah at the Tournament the same goes for Goten dodging Trunks' special Blast in the same battle, they both showed a fair amount of anguish dodging eachothers punches.
Another thing is that Goku barely avoided the attack, it grazed him on the face not to mention when Freiza used that blast to divide Planet namek (Right before Goku uses Kaioken x20) Goku managed to react at a much closer range. Goku also had no trouble blocking Freiza's Death Beams but seemed to be have a little more difficulty dodging his punches before Freiza went to 50%. I don't really think that Goku barely dodging one attack is a good reference.
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!? What are you guys talking about? Goku didnt dodge that enery disc! It cut threw his neck like butter, causing his head to fall off!! Freeza then won and became the strongest entity in the WHOLE galaxie!!!

Yeah, thats a great ending... Son Goku Dodged so then Son Goku could win... and he didnt even dodge it completely it cut his cheek. Why would he get a Zenkai from Transforming. When you Transform you get stronger. Then when you revert back you dont revert back to the state you were at when you transformed. Its like his powers in base were restored not increased.
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Did Vegeta get any sign (in appearance) of healing after he got sensu?
I don't need to. The healing properties of Senzu Beans are shown when they repair a GIGANTAIC FUCKING HOLE IN YAMCHA'S CHEST. How can it be clearer than that?

Oh and "revitalize" means to refill with energy, not heal.
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Here's an image of Yamcha with a GIANT FUCKING HOLE IN HIS FUCKING CHEST (emphasis).


Yamcha post Senzu bean. Note the absence of a GIANT FUCKING HOLE IN HIS FUCKING CHEST.

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So what? Goku didn't have any "hole" in his chest to begin with.
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So what? Goku didn't have any "hole" in his chest to begin with.
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Yamcha. Yam-cha. Y-a-m-c-h-a.
lol those are totally different type of injuries. If Yamcha's hole had remained, he would be dead after healing itself, and we know that thats not how a sensu works.
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I find it far more illogical that Goku would get a zenkai, increasing his power to 50 million, and just forget the kaioken altogether. It's more logical to say that Goku was simply lucky in dodging Frieza's disc. To say the SSJ power up has rejuvenating qualities is purely assumption with no proof to back it up (other than a dodge by Goku, which once again could've just been luck.)

If this were true, a saiyan might as well go back to base each time he's heavily injured and turn back into a SSJ for a major zenkai.
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lol those are totally different type of injuries. If Yamcha's hole had remained, he would be dead after healing itself, and we know that thats not how a sensu works.
Oh so Gero put his arm through Yamcha's chest so therefore there was no hole?

They are different types of injuries, but you ASKED for evidence of the healing power of Senzu Beans and I gave it to you. A single Bean healed that hole in Yamcha's chest.

And you STILL haven't disputed my claims on the last few posts. How was Goku able to stand on his own, to prepare to fight Freeza? He still had a large portion of energy left.
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