gad_is_here

You're underestimating an SSJ2
South Kai- 5,000,000,000
GohaN SSJ2-74,000,000,000

That's where I place them
The kais were weak.And don't tell me you think the difference between Buff Buu and Kid Buu is more than 5,000,000,000

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Majuub

First of all, don't try and do power levels because they are most likely completely innacurate. Second, I'm not underestimating an SSJ2, you haven't got to be too brilliant to know that if Chibi Buu absorbs an SSJ2 his power won't multiply.

Buff Buu is stronger than Shin Buu who is more than 3x stronger than Chibi Buu, just by absorging an SSJ2, Chibi Buu can't hope to get as strong as Buff Buu.

You say the kais are weak when only one of them was showed to be weak, it was stated Buu killed all the others and the East Kaioshin was the weakest. The others could have been just as powerful as SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, but would Chibi Buu still be multiple times stronger than them and kill them easily? Yes.

All you said is baseless assumption, you can't prove the Kaioshins were weak, you can just prove the East Kaioshin who is the youngest and weakest is.

Buff Buu>SSJ3 Gotenks>/=Shin Buu>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku Goku>Chibi Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ2 Majin Vegeta>>>>>>>>(Your estimation of south Kaioshin)

So, by just absorbing the South Kaioshin who is weaker than an SSJ2, Chibi Buu grows from weaker than SSJ Gotenks to stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks??

It's not because one Kaioshin is weak that all Kaioshins are weak.

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Sorata

From where do you take that difference?

None of the kaioshins fought with Buu. None. Don't you think if South Kaioshin fought with him, East Kai would at least whisper about it? All the kaioshins shown were way to weak even for Cell saga standards and you're telling me that one of them was stronger than Buu? East Kaioshin stated that each kaioshin was strong enough to take out Freeza in one punch. How much do you think Freeza is weaker than Chibi Buu? How much power would you give to Kaioshins after this statement?

Majuub

If SSJ Gotenks is weaker than Shin Buu and on par with Chibi Buu, I don't see how Gotenks can just multiply is power by 3x from SSJ to SSJ3. His power has to multiply much more than that but I say three just to take the minimum.

He killed two Kaioshins and absorbed 2 and yet none of them fought Buu?? There is even a panel that shows Fat Buu with his arms raised and East Kaioshin beaten on the ground when Kaioshin is telling is story about the time Buu was wrecking havoc. They all fought Buu.


Yeah, each is strong enough to take him out in one punch and?? What's the point? Chibi Buu is also capable of taking out Frieza in one punch, that statement is irrelevant.

Come with good arguments because now you're digging yourself in a hole and it's getting nowhere.

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Sorata

Why do you assume that SSJ Gotenks is on par with Kid Buu?

No, not fought. Buu came and owned them.

It isn't irrelevant. East Kaioshin made that statement like he was proud of being able to kill Freeza. He indeed was proud. He didn't know that the Z Senshi had achieved that peak several years ago. If he'd be stronger he would say for example:a thousand Freeza's or something similar. Would you compare your strenght in to a kid's strenght? It's obvious you can defeat a kid but you don't make it a indicator of your strenght.

Darkprince410

1) Because Ssj Gotenkusu (Pre-RoSaT) is stated to be more powerful than Ssj3 Gokuu (who in turn is more or less equal to Chibi Buu), so Ssj Gotenkusu (Post RoSaT) would be more powerful than him.

2) That's the thing though, we're never given details as to how the fight progressed. All we know is that they eventually were absorbed by Buu.

3) Of course he'd be proud of it. He himself stated that he was the weakest of the Kaioushin-sama that existed at the time, and his statement was to encompass all the Kaioushin-sama that existed at the time, so he was naturally going to pick something that he himself was capable of killing in a single blast. He wasn't going to boast about the battle powers of the entire contingent of Kaioushin-sama that existed at the time, only to choose an example of power that was beyond his capabilities.

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Sorata

Can someone provide me a scan where it is stated?

burningvegeta

Daizenshuu stated him to be the 3rd strongest dude, being behind Saikyo no Gohan, and Super Saiyan Vegeto. Though this isn't a manga scan, its something.

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Sorata

Daizenshu stated SSJ Gotenks or SSJ3 Gotenks to be the 3rd strongest?

Also can someone provide me a scan from the Daizenshu where it's written?

Senzu_Bean

Daizenshuu stated Gotenks as the 3rd strongest. Not SSj Gotenks but SSj3 Gotenks.

SSj3 Goku would be the fourth or the fifth if you count Gotenks SSj forms.

Sorata

I thought so. Can someone provide a scan please?

JC#1

I don't really understand how Buff Buu is suddenly stronger than Super Buu.

uki1234

Simply.

BUFF BUU HASN'T GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH BUU WHO WAS MADE AFTER KID BUU ABSORBED SOUTH KAI! THOSE ARE COMPLETLY DIFFERENT BUUS. THE STATMENT WHERE SUPREME KAIOSHIN SAYS THAT BUFF BUU = KID BUU + SOUTH KAI IS A FILLER!

Buffed Super Buu = Buff Buu = Super Buu with his muscle mass increased, and therefore his power increased(like Cell).

Simple, right? ;)

centaurhades

Did you remember the scene when Vegeta and Goku exit to Super Buu, Vegeta states that Super Buu’s power is actually increasing. Now we see a whole new form of Buu that is very big and bulky. This is Buff Buu and it's actually the first absorption Buu has ever gone through back in Supreme Kai’s time there were 4 kai’s and one Grand Kai known as Dai Kaioshin (he's big and fat). Kid Buu, the original Buu, attacks the 4 Kai's. Kid Buu defeats all of the Kai’s except for one. He absorbs the strongest Kai to become Buff Buu.
He always compared to piccolo buu and we all know Piccolo buu>>super buu

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JC#1

Simple but wrong. I knew they are 2 different peolre, doesn't have anything to do with the powerlevel. So when were Super Buu's muscles increased??? Why does it matter that the part where S. supreme Kai is absorbed by Kid Buu is only filler???
See? This guy's got a way better explanation. But this also disproves the Super Buu being stronger than Kid Buu theory. If Super Buu's power was increasing as he changed from Super Buu through Buff Buu and finally into Kid Buu then kid Buu is the strongest out of these 3 Buus.

He's also obviously stronger than fat Buu, pointed out by the fight on the Planet of the Kais where kid Buu wipes the floor with Fat Buu. However, Fat Buu at least put up a fight that lasted over 2 minutes.

If Evil Buu could beat fat Buu so easily, and then Kid Buu actually had to use some elbow grease then that means the Grey badass Buu is the strongest of all known Buus, as stated in Venom9808's video on youtube, but the power must have decreased after eating fat Buu and becoming Super Buu.

Evil Buu>>Kid Buu>>Buff Buu>>Super Buu>>Fat Buu