Buff Buu - Page 6

burningvegeta · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

SSJ2 Gohan > South Kaioshin
If they said that many tried then that counts for the south kaioshin too as he was the strongest
Since he wasn't able to pull it out and Gohan was..........

Excuse me how do we know that it didn't have something to do with potential or mystic choosing? Besides after each attempt I'm sure the sword would budge a little without anyone releasing as it would in the real world. Then BAM after a couple hundred people have attempted, the next lucky guy (Son Gohan) comes along with it pretty loosened and pulls it out. That theory has nothing to do with strength, and its perfectly logical. Its all about friction (click link to read about friction, for those who don't know what it is).

gad_is_here · 04-07-2008

Hmmmmmmm. Can you prove this wrong then
the west Kaioshin knew the south Kaioshin perfectly well. Yet he was surprised by Gohan's power. I think that explains that Gohan SSJ2 > South Kaioshin

And if the sword really is that hard to pull I doubt it budged nearly enough to give Gohan any special advantages

burningvegeta · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

Hmmmmmmm. Can you prove this wrong then
the west Kaioshin knew the south Kaioshin perfectly well. Yet he was surprised by Gohan's power. I think that explains that Gohan SSJ2 > South Kaioshin

And if the sword really is that hard to pull I doubt it budged nearly enough to give Gohan any special advantages

First Point
-Yes the Supreme Kai may have been surprised by his power as we all know ones Base and ones maximum power there quite a distance between the two. Super Saiyan 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Base.
-Plus Son Gohan would have received a Zenkai since his power was nothing to Majin Buu, and he got pretty knocked about. He was presumed dead by Piccolo, and Son Goku. Presumed dead, near death experience.
-Once again this comes into play. The Supreme Ki cannot sense power levels very well. He underestimated loads of people in the Buu Arc.

Second Point
-Dude it was stated to be heavy by Son Goku.
-On that note Son Goku used weights to improve his power level greatly (Namek Arc).
-BRAIN-WAVE!! Look if the Z Sword was driven into rock, if the rock is destroyed then it will loosen its grip on the Zed Sword. Thus all Son Gohan needed to do was place his feet firmly in the ground which he did, and pull upward.

gad_is_here · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

First Point
-Yes the Supreme Kai may have been surprised by his power as we all know ones Base and ones maximum power there quite a distance between the two. Super Saiyan 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Base.
-Once again this comes into play. The Supreme Ki cannot sense power levels very well. He underestimated loads of people in the Buu Arc.

Second Point
-Dude it was stated to be heavy by Son Goku.
-On that note Son Goku used weights to improve his power level greatly (Namek Arc).
-BRAINWAVE!! Look if the Z Sword was droven into rock, if the rock is destoryed then it will loosen its grip on the Zed Sword. Thus all Son Gohan needed to do was place his feet firmly in the ground which he did, and pull upwards.

Yes the Supreme Kai underestimated a lot of people but I don't think he has any problems with sensing Ki
If the rock could be destroyed as easily as that then why would pulling out the sword be considered so great?????
The kaioshins were weak in my opinion

burningvegeta · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

Yes the Supreme Kai underestimated a lot of people but I don't think he has any problems with sensing Ki
If the rock could be destroyed as easily as that then why would pulling out the sword be considered so great?????
The kaioshins were weak in my opinion

-The Supreme Ki over estimated Son Gohan's power at the Budoukai Tournament, he thought he had enough energy to revive Buu. He also thought Yakon was powerful, but he was destroyed but a tiny bit of Super Saiyan 2 energy, which he knew Son Gohan had. See how deluded he is?
-Nah there not weak just stupid. Son Gohan was a man of psychics he could have figured that out as I did. Thus his second attempt.

Oh gad_is_here you may want to edit your post with my quote as I've edited my original post.

gad_is_here · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

-The Supreme Ki over estimated Son Gohan's power at the Budoukai Tournament, the thought he had enough energy to revive Buu.
-Nah there not weak just stupid. Son Gohan was a man of psychics he could have figured that out as I did. Thus his second attempt.

I don't think the south kaioshin was much ahead of the west kaioshin.And SSJ2 Gohan certainly was.The south kaioshin was at perfect Cells level when he was holding back IMO

burningvegeta · 04-07-2008

Maybe but without evidence or extensive analysis of the manga we can only speculate. Though it better to estimate with logic than to speculate.

gad_is_here · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

Maybe but without evidence or extensive analysis of the manga we can only speculate.

I have to agree with you there.I have no proof what so ever

But still.I place the kaioshins on almost the same level with south kaioshin having a little advantage
But that's my opinion anyway

**Majuub** · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

I don't think the south kaioshin was much ahead of the west kaioshin.And SSJ2 Gohan certainly was.The south kaioshin was at perfect Cells level when he was holding back IMO

Purely baseless assumptions. You only say that because you saw one weak Kai who was stated to be the weakest and now you put them all in the same basket. If you only see Son Goten and no other saiyan, does that mean they are all in the same league as him? Not at all. East Kaioshin was the weakest and youngest out of them I don't know why it's so hard to believe the bravest and strongest could have been 20x stronger than him.

Again, Kaioshin is impressed by the saiyans because they're mere mortals, not because he never saw such power.

It's perfectly believable the South Kaioshin never ever tried to remove the sword, it was there for generations maybe he didn't care to remove or not and most likely, everything is there to tell us he didn't try to remove it.

Sorata · 04-07-2008

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Again, Kaioshin is impressed by the saiyans because they're mere mortals, not because he never saw such power.

Was it stated in the manga?

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It's perfectly believable the South Kaioshin never ever tried to remove the sword, it was there for generations maybe he didn't care to remove or not and most likely, everything is there to tell us he didn't try to remove it.

Everything is there? What exactly? I'd like to hear that quote which shows what's there about South Kaioshin not trying to pick up the Z sword.

**Majuub** · 04-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Sorata

Was it stated in the manga?

Everything is there? What exactly? I'd like to hear that quote which shows what's there about South Kaioshin not trying to pick up the Z sword.

Hell no, just read the last couple of pages and you'll find out, I won't bother writing everything again.

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Actually, the South Kaioshin might have been stronger than SSJ3 Goku or Chibi Buu. Chibi Buu chose to absorb him instead of just killing him, we know Buu absborbs only when he is outmatched, if he is stronger, he kills.

Shin Buu absorbs Gotenks to defeat Gohan

Shin Buu absorbs Gohan to be the strongest ever because the fusion worn off and Gohan was now strong enough to kill him

Shin Buu absorbs Vegeto because he was too strong

Now, Chibi Buu fought Goku but didn't even think of absorbing him, still they were dead even, yet he chose to absorb the south Kaioshin, it just means the Kaioshin was extremely strong.

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Buu was outmached, he absorbed Gotenks

He was going to get outmatched, he absorbed Gohan

He was getting outmached, he absborbed Vegeto

Chibi Buu was fighting with Goku and they were even, still he didn't absorb him and that same Chibi Buu chose to absorb the south Kaioshin?? Why if he was beating the crap out of him?? The south Kaioshin was the strongest, the others were much much weaker than him that's why Kaioshin was impressed by the saiyans since they were stronger than all the other Kaioshins except the south Kaioshin.

Sorata, what translation is that? In the original manga, it's written every Kaioshin that had try to remove the sword had failed, it was never stated everyone of them had failed.

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Super Buu & Kid Buu absorbing beings are entirely different. At least Super Buu has shown he thinks things out before doing them; while there's nothing that show's Kid Buu even thinks a little bit.
Why would he absorb then? For fun?? You just add something to my point by saying that. Chibi Buu can't even think yet he absorbed the south Kaioshin. There is one reason possible and everything proves the south Kaioshin was indeed stronger than him.

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Good question.

You see, Chibi Buu shows no emotion whatsoever, when he absorbed the south Kaioshin some intelligence went along with the power. Since the Kaioshins were pretty much like a familiy, the influence of the south Kaioshin on Buu's personalty probably prevent him to kill the Dai Kaioshin since he was probably like a father figure to the south one. It's like when even Shin Buu couldn't kill Satan, he just ran along since it would be pretty much pointless to absorb him because Satan had no power at all.

Even if the South Kaioshin showed impressive attacks or intelligent fighting, Chibi Buu wouldn't care at all, he would just kill him.

gad_is_here · 04-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Purely baseless assumptions. You only say that because you saw one weak Kai who was stated to be the weakest and now you put them all in the same basket. If you only see Son Goten and no other saiyan, does that mean they are all in the same league as him? Not at all. East Kaioshin was the weakest and youngest out of them I don't know why it's so hard to believe the bravest and strongest could have been 20x stronger than him.

Again, Kaioshin is impressed by the saiyans because they're mere mortals, not because he never saw such power.

It's perfectly believable the South Kaioshin never ever tried to remove the sword, it was there for generations maybe he didn't care to remove or not and most likely, everything is there to tell us he didn't try to remove it.

Could be.And yes I put South Kaioshin at around 7x stronger than the east kaioshin
But since I put the east at around 17 and 18's level I don't think South Kaioshin was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan
Maybe near but not stronger

Sorata · 04-08-2008

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Hell no, just read the last couple of pages and you'll find out, I won't bother writing everything again.

So it wasn't even hinted and these are just assumptions.

**Majuub** · 04-08-2008

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Originally Posted by gad_is_here

Could be.And yes I put South Kaioshin at around 7x stronger than the east kaioshin
But since I put the east at around 17 and 18's level I don't think South Kaioshin was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan
Maybe near but not stronger

Ok, so Chibi Buu absorbed someone weaker than a SSJ2? Did he try to absorb SSJ2 Vegeta? Did he try to absorb Mr Buu, did he try to absorb even SSJ3 Goku?

Also, Chibi Buu absorb someone weaker than SSJ2 Gohan for absolutely no reason and yet he becomes stronger than Shin Buu and his power multiplies.

They didn't say he didn't try they never said he did try. If he tried the sword would have been removed, if he was weaker than a SSJ2 it doesn't make any sense at all since there is no canon basis to prove he was wekaer than a SSJ2 while there is more than enough proof to think he was on par with at least a SSJ3.

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gad_is_here (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: I go with the naked ladies[;)] Posts: 2,139 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 51	Re: Buff Buu Hmmmmmmm. Can you prove this wrong then the west Kaioshin knew the south Kaioshin perfectly well. Yet he was surprised by Gohan's power. I think that explains that Gohan SSJ2 > South Kaioshin And if the sword really is that hard to pull I doubt it budged nearly enough to give Gohan any special advantages __________________ Nobody's perfect and since I'm nobody... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. Avoid fruits and nuts. You are what you eat. Jim Davis All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before.

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