Buff Buu - Page 3

burningvegeta · 04-06-2008

I always imagined he was but Super Saiyan 3 being weaker. Though my conception of their fight was wrong on many levels: Dai Kaioshin = Kid Buu.

**Majuub** · 04-06-2008

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That's possible, but isn't absorbing just as bad? I don't know if the influence would've been that strong to make him absorb someone? He was still Buu for the most part, so that means he at least considered absorbing Dai as well.

I think we can at least agree that Dai isn't around the power of SSJ3, right?

Well, if the south Kaioshin isn't around SSJ3 power, then Buu wouldn't have absorbed him, it would have been pointless.

gad_is_here · 04-06-2008

All I know is that kid Buu had a clear advantage against south Kaioshin

**Majuub** · 04-06-2008

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All I know is that kid Buu had a clear advantage against south Kaioshin

Just like Shin Buu(Gohan absorbed) had against Vegeto, that's why he chose to absorb him, because he was too strong and had a clear advantage.

Evil Vegeta · 04-06-2008

I disagree with that, but you do make good points. It still doesn't answer why he absorbed Dai, and we know he shouldn't be around SSJ3 power. All we know, is that they could vaporize Freeza in one-blast.

Also; though it's not stated, I can't see why the strongest of the Kaioshins would not even try to unleash the Z-sword? That doesn't make sense in my book as well. If countless ones tried, he should've been one of them. That one is just a matter of opinion, but we know if he did, he would be much weaker then SSJ Gohan, thus ending any kind of SSJ3 power comparison to him.

gad_is_here · 04-06-2008

Maybe South Kai was stronger but he certainly wasn't strong enough to defeat Buu's body

**Majuub** · 04-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

I disagree with that, but you do make good points. It still doesn't answer why he absorbed Dai, and we know he shouldn't be around SSJ3 power. All we know, is that they could vaporize Freeza in one-blast.

Also; though it's not stated, I can't see why the strongest of the Kaioshins would not even try to unleash the Z-sword? That doesn't make sense in my book as well. If countless ones tried, he should've been one of them. That one is just a matter of opinion, but we know if he did, he would be much weaker then SSJ Gohan, thus ending any kind of SSJ3 power comparison to him.

Well, if he was in the SSJ-SSJ2 league Buu wouldn't even absorb him and he would have been killed in an instant

The only reason he could have absorb the Dai Kaioshin was because he had the south one within him. If the Dai Kaioshin had so much influence that it made Buu weaker and much more gentle than I don't see why the influence of the most powerful Kaioshin couldn't have made him less cruel.

No mather what is said, if you lower the power of the South Kaioshin to the power of a SSJ or SSJ2 than that would contradict the fact Buu absorbed him since there would be absolutely no point to do so.

Darkprince410 · 04-06-2008

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Yeah right. And East Kaioshin who saw his SSJ3-like power pouring from him would be stunned with looking at base Vegeta's fight. Marvelous.

It wasn't the level of power itself that he was awestruck about, it was the fact that it was a mortal being producing that much power. East Kaioushin-sama and Kibito repeatedly commented on the fact that they couldn't believe that mortals (the wording changes sometimes regarding who says it, sometimes it's "beings of the mortal sphere" or "ki of mortals".

If anything, that supports the notion that a Kaioushin-sama had at least similar levels of ki, as why would they make comments about it being impossible that mortals could possess such levels of power unless there have been gods that have? He and Kibito would have said, "no one is capable of producing such ki levels" or something like that if they meant to encompass both mortals and gods.

Deep thought · 04-06-2008

It doesn't make any sense at all for Kid Buu to absorb South Kaioshin. By Kid Buu's nature, he'd just kill South Kaioshin. I mean Kid Buu is literally designed to kill and only kill, so there would have to be a very good reason for him to absorb the South Kaioshin.

**Majuub** · 04-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

It doesn't make any sense at all for Kid Buu to absorb South Kaioshin. By Kid Buu's nature, he'd just kill South Kaioshin. I mean Kid Buu is literally designed to kill and only kill, so there would have to be a very good reason for him to absorb the South Kaioshin.

Exactly, there is only one reason, the South Kaioshin had to be too strong for him.

Evil Vegeta · 04-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Well, if he was in the SSJ-SSJ2 league Buu wouldn't even absorb him and he would have been killed in an instant

The only reason he could have absorb the Dai Kaioshin was because he had the south one within him. If the Dai Kaioshin had so much influence that it made Buu weaker and much more gentle than I don't see why the influence of the most powerful Kaioshin couldn't have made him less cruel.

No mather what is said, if you lower the power of the South Kaioshin to the power of a SSJ or SSJ2 than that would contradict the fact Buu absorbed him since there would be absolutely no point to do so.

I don't know about instant. Kid Buu could've been seriously playin around, as he's shown throughout his battles. I know Shin said that the absorptions tamed him, but it seemed to be more of a reference to Dai if anything. I also don't see why someone like Kid Buu neccessarily needs a reason? Super Buu had to suppress his chi and hide for an hour before he decided to absorb Super Gotenks.

It wouldn't make sense for Kid Buu to absorb someone of SSJ power, but it also doesn't make sense for countless Kaioshins to try and unleash the Z-sword, and the strongest of all of them not even tryin to do the same.

**Majuub** · 04-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

I don't know about instant. Kid Buu could've been seriously playin around, as he's shown throughout his battles. I know Shin said that the absorptions tamed him, but it seemed to be more of a reference to Dai if anything. I also don't see why someone like Kid Buu neccessarily needs a reason? Super Buu had to suppress his chi and hide for an hour before he decided to absorb Super Gotenks.

It wouldn't make sense for Kid Buu to absorb someone of SSJ power, but it also doesn't make sense for countless Kaioshins to try and unleash the Z-sword, and the strongest of all of them doesn't try to do the same.

Well, I also think it's hard to believe he was so strong but the reasons are there to prove he was. If he tried to remove the sword and wasn't capable of it would mean he hadn't even SSJ2 power. There would be absolutely no point for Buu to absorb him. If Chibi Buu is winning a fight, he will kill, not absorb, he didn't try to absorb Vegeta, nor Mr Buu, nor Goku nor Mr Satan.

If he didn't try.

1- It would give a meaning to the statement: Every Kaioshin that had tried to remove the sword had failed.

2- It would also give a meaning as to why Chibi Buu absorbed him.

Evil Vegeta · 04-06-2008

Even if he was around SSJ3 power, Buu should at least be equal with him, as he was with Goku. Unless Buu is gettin hammered continously, and this is Kid Buu, not Super Buu who had to devise a plan; then he still shouldn't have to absorb him.

I will say that he was equal with Buu at the least, but not more powerful then him. We don't even know the circumstances of the battle, or if Buu was even that strong back then? Things could've been entirely different, but I do think you're given Buu too much credit on his ways of absorbing.

**Majuub** · 04-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Even if he was around SSJ3 power, Buu should at least be equal with him, as he was with Goku. Unless Buu is gettin hammered continously, and this is Kid Buu, not Super Buu who had to devise a plan; then he still shouldn't have to absorb him.

I will say that he was equal with Buu at the least, but not more powerful then him. We don't even know the circumstances of the battle, or if Buu was even that strong back then? Things could've been entirely different, but I do think you're given Buu too much credit on his ways of absorbing.

Agreed

Yes, he might have been just as strong. I correct myself, he might have been weaker than SSJ3 Goku or Chibi Buu but he was at least strong enough to give Chibi Buu a run for his money.

If he was weaker than Chibi Buu but still strong enough to give him a fight that would also explain somethings.

1- Not only the Dai Kaioshin has some different influence on him but all Kaioshins since South Kaioshin made Chibi Buu even stronger than Shin Buu, that would mean he gave Buu even more power than he had himself because Kaioshins have a special influence on Buu.

2- That would explain why it was stated they couldn't use East Kaioshin's energey to power up Buu because they didn't know the consequences since he was a Kaioshin, anything could happen.

Evil Vegeta · 04-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

Agreed

Yes, he might have been just as strong. I correct myself, he might have been weaker than SSJ3 Goku or Chibi Buu but he was at least strong enough to give Chibi Buu a run for his money.

If he was weaker than Chibi Buu but still strong enough to give him a fight that would also explain somethings.

1- Not only the Dai Kaioshin has some different influence on him but all Kaioshins since South Kaioshin made Chibi Buu even stronger than Shin Buu, that would mean he gave Buu even more power than he had himself because Kaioshins have a special influence on Buu.

2- That would explain why it was stated they couldn't use East Kaioshin's energey to power up Buu because they didn't know the consequences since he was a Kaioshin, anything could happen.

Now I can see where you're comin from. It's very possible that he fought evenly with him, and pissed him off to a certain point. I could really see that being a reason why he absorbed him, unless he was just bored or somethin.

I think everything Kaioshin related has some kind of odd effect with Buu. Like, when Goku & Vegeta couldn't be merged inside of Buu. Sure, that might've just been an isolated thing, but it's possible since it's a Kaioshin artifact, it wouldn't work within Buu.

As for what Dabura said: I always took that as Kaioshin & Kibito being too weak to give any kind of effective energy to Buu. Since they don't seem that strong, they would be in the same category as Piccolo & Krillin at that moment.

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Deep thought (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: America, vague, huh??? Posts: 901 Rep Power: 5	Re: Buff Buu It doesn't make any sense at all for Kid Buu to absorb South Kaioshin. By Kid Buu's nature, he'd just kill South Kaioshin. I mean Kid Buu is literally designed to kill and only kill, so there would have to be a very good reason for him to absorb the South Kaioshin. __________________