Deep Thought

-Gohan didn't even want to train that badly, Goku just insisted on it. More importantly, Chi-Chi didn't want Goku to. Did we forget that Chi-Chi was Goku's wife?

-This: ImageShack - Hosting :: 96568603ev7.png and this: ImageShack - Hosting :: 70535002hg1.png really question how noble Goku's intentions were when he trained with Gohan.

-I don't see what that has to do with his family.

-Who said that Goku trained with Goten? Who said that Goku gave any of his time to Pan?

Piccolo (a former demon) seems to care far more about Gohan than Goku. Funny how you didn't mention Chi-Chi, too.

Gangsta SabZ

I don't like the way Goku casually left his family to train Uub. Other than that he usually thought of everyone's best interest. He neglected Chichi at times because what she was saying was a load of bullshit e.g. "I don't care about what happens to the Earth, as long as Gohan studies!" That makes no sense because the Earth could be destroyed so there'd be no schools and jobs left for Gohan to attend to.

In the Buu saga he became a little less emotional towards his family, especially Chichi. He does try hard with Goten, but that's about it. But it's not so bad to make him a bad person towards his family.

SaiyajinPerfection

You're the one actually missing the point, and the funniest part about your post is that you've actually given evidence to my point. The point is that the reason why people are impure is because they prioritize their own desires over the status of others, particularly the ones who are closest to them. I agree that the thrill of a challenge is a common occurence amongst many people, but people with a sense of consideration don't abandon their families in order to fullfill their desire for that challenge.

Let's assume that your parents are married and that your Dad loves to rock-climb. If your dad unexpectedly left you and your mom to climb Mount Everest and live in Tibet so that he could conquer Everest whenever he wanted to, wouldn't that be selfish and inconsiderate towards your family on his part? It's the same situation with Goku. And as I've already pointed out, Goku's main intention for training Oob was not to have a new defender.

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RisanF

Yes, I think there might be some hypocrisy concerning Goku's purity of heart in the canon. But actually, this doesn't have to be entirely a bad thing; it could lead to some really good fanfic ideas that actually deal with this and add character development to Goku. For example:

1. Chichi/Gohan/Goten/etc. gets fed up with Goku's "neglect" and leaves him. Goku pays the price for his love of fighting.

2. Kinto'un finally bucks Goku off and no longer allows him to ride.

3. Goku desire to fight is manipulated; he plays right into the enemy's hands.

4. Goku meets Android 8 again, who gives him the big thumbs-down. ("You're bad, Son Goku.")

5. Goku goes up against Akuman again and his special attack. This time, he fries.

JC#1

He doesn't train just for fun, he trains to make sure he's ready when the Earth will need protection. Would anyone call that an impurity? Before he started a family he literally had no clue what he was getting into anyway, he had been raised in the forest and stuff.

RisanF

I still think Goku has definitely made some bad decisions due to his desire to fight. At the end of the Vegeta Saga, he lets the big bad guy go free not out of mercy, but because he wants another fight sometime along the road. It's like letting a war criminal go, simply because you want to keep on running around in trenches shooting at things as a soldier. Goku himself admits that this is dumb; how far will he go to facilitate his desires?

Which brings up Idea #6:

6. Kuririn doesn't listen to Goku, and kills Vegeta with Yagirobe's Sword.

JC#1

This is what I call the "wise turning point" of Goku's life. He spared Vegeta's life out of not only having someone to fight, but having evil to make good. If there wasn't a bad guy, what would the good guys be? IDK, I'm making shit up, but Goku did this wise less-goofy-Roshi thing, or like the old dude on Karate Kid. He had his reasons. And dude, the show is Japanese, of course there's all this shit about "honor" and stuff that makes what we think is good and evil much different for the show.

Finkler

It was the same reason why Goku wanted to let Frieza live. He wanted to give them the chance to give up their evil ways, call that kind-heartedness or call it dumbass-ness. Its up to you.

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gogitass4

Goku has no evil in his heart thus he is pure of heart.

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SSJ4 Vegito

Well Goku certainly isn't perfect but just because, someone sins does not mean they are horrible. Besides Goku had practically no one to live with most of his life so really he has no intension of hurting his family. Besides we didn't see those years after he took off with Uub but he said he'd visit. He also spent time with his family during the 10 day wait. I mean sure he trains but protecting the earth is pretty much his Job, he may like it but there's nothing so bad about liking your Job.

SaiyajinPerfection

Goku protects Earth, true, but his obsession with fighting is his flaw. Goku basically admitted that he would probably never live with his family again, regardless if Oob became a successful defender or not.

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SSJ4 Vegito

When did he say he wouldn't live with them? I thought he said that he doesn't know how long it will take to make Uub a great fighter but he did say he'd visit which we don't know how often he did but I wouldn't be suprised either way.

LegendarySSJ7

From what I can glean, I'd say it's only Goku's mischaracterizations in the Boo Saga Arc that makes it seem as such; I tend to adhere to the notion of Toriyama-sensei having Goku do things out of kindheartedness (or something of a similar action) . When he wanted to go off with Oob, he was trying to create a combatant that would protect the Earth, yet that would not be mired by leisurely spent time nor family, and Gohan isn't just going to sit around on his laurels and roll around indolently (but he did expressly state that he wanted a life of tranquility), whilst breeding a great challenge. I don't know if there was any complacently ulterior motive beneath that, and before the Boo Saga Arc, Goku was someone who faced villains such as Piccolo Daimao, Freeza, and Cell, who eventually did away with schemes and organized structure with chaos, bringing said structure to mental derangement. In Piccolo Daimao's case, it meant omnipotent but ominous reign and anarchy. They are all of them willed with enmity.

In Freeza's case, it meant domination of the universe. In Cell's, it meant ostensible destruction and entertainment (with a mite of juvenileness). If Goku didn't surmount these foes, it was the fruit of his efforts and his family's efforts through his former son. He only seemed to lack ruefulness and compunction in the Boo Saga Arc, especially when he threatened to blow away Kaioshin and combat Vegeta with pulsating veins instead of try to prevent Boo's hatching. So color me at least okay with his character pre-Boo Saga Arc: whether a heart is "pure", however, is up to interpretation and opinion, I suppose. Yet moral values may not be all that divergent when so many express such a desire for power. But that's for anothe thread.

I would say his "purity of heart" is a matter of interpretation... at least, pre-Boo Saga Arc (however redundant that phrase is beginning to sound).

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