Confusion About Differences in Power

warcrack · 02-28-2008

My experiences in the forums here have taught me that in Dragonball, it takes at least a 1.33x difference to be able to own your opponent (give or take... personally I think 1.25x or 1.3x is enough also). This has been summarized pretty well in this thread:

Specific Differences and what they allow

However, during the past two days I've been scanning the discussion sections of the Daizenshuu EX forums and several knowledgable members (specifically, FindKenshi and Xyex) there seem to have concluded that the minimum "owning" difference in Dragonball is even lower, and that it takes at least a 1.09x gap in power to be able to overwhelm your opponent.

So, what's the deal here? What is this minimum difference that allows you to overwhelm your opponent easily? (i.e. beat him up with no problem.) This may sound like a trivial issue, but I'd like some clarification.

Tyro · 02-28-2008

The 1.09090909x difference coming from Vegeta (24,000) and Zarbon (estimated at 22,000).

If that's what you meant for clarification.

SRP76 · 02-28-2008

The 1/3 difference is based on Vegeta beating Cui. He did more than "own" him. He blew him out of existence by pointing his finger at him. Simply beating him up would require a whole lot less power.

In the same arc, Vegeta has the exact same level of power, and easily defeats Zarbon (while mentioning that Zarbon looks like he's "standing still"), who is quite a bit stronger than Cui. That means that no, a fighter doesn't have to be "at least" 33% stronger to outclass an opponent.

**Zer0** · 02-28-2008

To clarify something when I say usually 1.33x difference I'm usually referring to the durability aspect of the difference. I.E a 1.09x difference isn't enough not to feel a punch to the face.

warcrack · 02-28-2008

^I made my question more clear in my original post now.

I find it odd then that many people have the difference between MSSj Goku and powered-up Perfect Cell higher than 1.09x, even though it obviously wasn't beating Goku up.

Sephiroth · 02-28-2008

If you notice before Cell is hit by the Kamehameha he is easily able to take a series of blows from Goku. Cell than displays that he has a large speed advantage over Goku. I'd hardly say that Goku was able to fight near even with Cell. It's not that unreasonable to believe that Cell had at least a 1.09x strength advantage over Goku (pre Kamehameha).

ANB · 02-29-2008

Imho, 1.09 doesn't indicate anything but a speed advantage. Vegeta's comment that Zarbon looked like he was "standing still" alludes to this. Zarbon took several blows from Vegeta and it just frustrated him if anything. If he got in a few hits of his own I'm sure Vegeta would be hurting. Again, imho.

1.14 is when strength plays a major rule in how a battle plays out. 1.2 means the one with a superior battle power has a 75% chance of winning but there is still some opportunities and openings for victory. 1.3 is complete domination and 1.5 is so serious you shouldn't even joke about it (Like how Piccolo launched that huge island vaporizing blast at Cell and it did nothing).

02-28-2008	#1 (permalink)
warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Confusion About Differences in Power My experiences in the forums here have taught me that in Dragonball, it takes at least a 1.33x difference to be able to own your opponent (give or take... personally I think 1.25x or 1.3x is enough also). This has been summarized pretty well in this thread: Specific Differences and what they allow However, during the past two days I've been scanning the discussion sections of the Daizenshuu EX forums and several knowledgable members (specifically, FindKenshi and Xyex) there seem to have concluded that the minimum "owning" difference in Dragonball is even lower, and that it takes at least a 1.09x gap in power to be able to overwhelm your opponent. So, what's the deal here? What is this minimum difference that allows you to overwhelm your opponent easily? (i.e. beat him up with no problem.) This may sound like a trivial issue, but I'd like some clarification. __________________

02-28-2008	#2 (permalink)
Tyro (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Somerset, Kentucky Posts: 1,043 Rep Power: 7	Re: Confusion About Differences in Power The 1.09090909x difference coming from Vegeta (24,000) and Zarbon (estimated at 22,000). If that's what you meant for clarification.

02-28-2008	#3 (permalink)
SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 39	Re: Confusion About Differences in Power The 1/3 difference is based on Vegeta beating Cui. He did more than "own" him. He blew him out of existence by pointing his finger at him. Simply beating him up would require a whole lot less power. In the same arc, Vegeta has the exact same level of power, and easily defeats Zarbon (while mentioning that Zarbon looks like he's "standing still"), who is quite a bit stronger than Cui. That means that no, a fighter doesn't have to be "at least" 33% stronger to outclass an opponent.

02-28-2008	#4 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,193 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 148	Re: Confusion About Differences in Power To clarify something when I say usually 1.33x difference I'm usually referring to the durability aspect of the difference. I.E a 1.09x difference isn't enough not to feel a punch to the face. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

02-28-2008	#5 (permalink)
warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Re: Confusion About Differences in Power ^I made my question more clear in my original post now. I find it odd then that many people have the difference between MSSj Goku and powered-up Perfect Cell higher than 1.09x, even though it obviously wasn't beating Goku up. __________________

02-28-2008	#6 (permalink)
Sephiroth MFG's One Winged Angel (11) Hunter Nin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Inside the Tsukuyomi Posts: 185 Rep Power: 4	Re: Confusion About Differences in Power If you notice before Cell is hit by the Kamehameha he is easily able to take a series of blows from Goku. Cell than displays that he has a large speed advantage over Goku. I'd hardly say that Goku was able to fight near even with Cell. It's not that unreasonable to believe that Cell had at least a 1.09x strength advantage over Goku (pre Kamehameha). __________________ The eyes of a madman glow with pure hatred as he looks towards his goal: Of becoming a God.

02-29-2008	#7 (permalink)
ANB (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,003 Rep Power: 47	Re: Confusion About Differences in Power Imho, 1.09 doesn't indicate anything but a speed advantage. Vegeta's comment that Zarbon looked like he was "standing still" alludes to this. Zarbon took several blows from Vegeta and it just frustrated him if anything. If he got in a few hits of his own I'm sure Vegeta would be hurting. Again, imho. 1.14 is when strength plays a major rule in how a battle plays out. 1.2 means the one with a superior battle power has a 75% chance of winning but there is still some opportunities and openings for victory. 1.3 is complete domination and 1.5 is so serious you shouldn't even joke about it (Like how Piccolo launched that huge island vaporizing blast at Cell and it did nothing). __________________