warcrack

Tenshinhan may have said that simply because he was so much weaker than Goku was. By the Saiyan Arc the gap had become very large: his 1900 or so to Goku's 8000.

"Twists"?

Kaio-sama's statment may suggest that the humans had wanted to learn Goku's techniques.

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Tyro

Tenshinhan: "I can't hope to surpass Goku at the same training regimen...But if I master the essentials of the technique...and add a few twists of my own......I should be able to avoid another humiliating defeat..."

Tenshinhan's idea was to close the gap between himself and Goku while on Kaio-sama's, as he still felt that he could. Through the many benefits he would receive during his training, it's certain that he would have eventually surpassed Goku in a fairly short amount of time (look at the increase Piccolo achieved in only six days time). One of those benefits being working with four other people, one being stronger than yourself and as eager to train, if not more so.

Kaio-sama: "And they want training even tougher than what you got!"

I don't see how that hints at Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chaozu wanting to learn Goku's techniques. Since they wanted training tougher than what Goku received...they wanted the same training that Goku received, only harder, allowing them to get more of a benefit from it. That would have included learning the Kaio-ken and Genki Dama, but it's apparent that they never actually got around to learning the techniques of Kaio-sama (for various reasons), ultimately just receiving the physical training.

warcrack

So, by my understanding, while there was no immediate threat or enemy for Tenshinhan to train for, he probably trained hard anyway, just to be able to keep up with Goku.

Also, what I highlighted in red sort of suggests, in my view, that Tenshinhan wanted to know the Kaioken; or some sort of technique on Kaio-Sama's.

At the time, was he aware that Goku was going to train on the way to Namek?

Oh, sorry; I thought that Kaio-Sama had said that to his group, not to Goku; i.e. him saying to Chaotzu, Piccolo, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan "You wanted training tougher than you got!"

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Tyro

Most tend to see that as a wanting to learn the Kaio-ken, too. Some even go a step further and say that was how the Neo Ki-ko-ho came to be, a mixture of the Kaio-ken and Ki-ko-ho.

I suppose that is a possibility, and could have very well been self-taught during the time we don't see him training on Kaio-sama's. I tend to lean more towards the "I want to know the basics of Kaio-sama's training and techniques" side, though.

Yes, Goku told Yamcha he was going to be going through gravity that made 10 Gs look like nothing, and I'm sure he told everyone else. Ten even stated that with Goku's new training he should be able to use the Kaio-ken up to a factor of 10.

ANB

That's...what I said? Tenshinhan being 40,000 after a year and change only makes sense. Him knowing about Goku's latest training means nothing: He wanted to compare himself to Goku on Earth. And if he could match his base (w/o kaoi-ken) he wouldn't have to suffer another "embarrasing defeat".

Goku's full power=32,000 on most lists btw.

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Tyro

Um...no?

Warcrack asked where it was stated, I answered the question since you weren't on, then went on to explain myself and my reasoning.

ANB

1) Okay smart-azz:

^Bold point. U:

You proved MY point.

2) Correct, you put in your own explanation. Kaio said they would undergo harsh training. From the looks of Piccolo...that's what they did. Nothing is said about Kaioken specifically, but Piccolo commented disdain "What? That blaste Kaio never said anthing about Spirit Bomb!". What's strange is that we never see anyone use Kaio-ken. But again, they were stated to be going though harsher training (since the gain has decreased as they are stronger). When Freeza is defeated, Ten stated he wanted to stay longer. Why, then, if he "used-up" all the benefit???

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Tyro

Yes...I don't see the misunderstanding. What you stated was never directly stated in the series by anyone, but highly implied. It's a bit inane to try to say he didn't train harder. I was simply explaining the whole situation. It's clear we agree with each other all-in-all.

Which would pertain only to the Genki Dama considering Piccolo obviously wasn't baffled at Goku's use of the Kaio-ken during the duration of the battle.

He didn't state anything like that in my manga. A statement of wanting to remain with Chaozu, even if dead, was made after mentioning those who have died twice can't be revived again, but nothing about wanting to stay on Kaio-sama's longer for the sheer will to train.

LegendarySSJ7

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ANB

Don't...just don't put words in his mouth.

Tenshinhan wanted to stay. Chaozu, as a result, wanted to stay with him. THAT'S why Yamcha was left. It was Chaozu who said "I want to stay with him,".

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As for learning at a faster rate? Goku may have been Saiyan, but that isn't too pertinent when humans and a Namekian gain similar progress (with nothing more than application and fervent devotion in comparison to Saiyans) on Kaio-sama's planet in a matter of days. Nail alone was impressed by Bukujutsu Piccolo projected, if that says anything. To me, all of that validates the aforesaid.

^I rest my case (for now, hmph).

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Tyro

I, uh, didn't. At all. Ever. In that post.

Kaio-sama: "Oh...yes. You can't resurrect people twice..."

Chaozu: "..."

Tenshinhan: "Don't worry, Chaozu. I'll stay behind too. We'll always be together, right?"

This was stated before Namek exploded, while Kaio-sama was talking to Kami-sama about the wish to make on the Earth dragon balls.

Narrator: "Since Chaozu and Tenshinhan want to return together, Yamcha is elected for this round of resurrection."

This was stated while using Porunga on Earth to wish back those who had died.

All pointing to the fact that Tenshinhan remained behind because he desired to remain with Chaozu.