Question About Vegetto

warcrack · 12-22-2007

How much was Vegetto holding back during his battle with Majin Boo? (i.e. half of his full power, etc.)

Also, in your opinion is a 100x near-death increase ridiculous?

Lord Saiyan · 12-22-2007

Vegitto was most probably using a bit more than half his energy..i'd say 60% of his full power...he did power up to super saiyan so the amount of power used will be more than half his strength.

a 100 x power up....i dont think a person/saiyan can increase his power so much....

Super Cool · 12-22-2007

Call it an exageration but i think he used 10%.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-22-2007

Vegetto fought both on a psychological and physical level, but he was so strong that he managed to completely overwhelm Boo (in his Super State of sorts, Gohan prime) with some mortifyingly simple footwork, while intentionally drawing out the fight. Considering he could at least go SSj2 (that much he restrained himself from, though said form doesn't exactly restrain itself as it's more of a breakdown of what a SSj can do), and that his aura was calm throughout the whole fight, what he displayed was only a fraction of the depth of his rather prodigious, sheer power.

Hence the large reading's of his conglomeration of power - I personally am of the belief that it was a largely held back thrashing on his behalf, so I'd have to say that to say he was using around 5%-10% isn't stretching it.

Madness · 12-22-2007

Yeah I'd say 5% - 10%. Don't forget he wasn't even trying in his base form. He could be hit, but he wasn't trying there either.

Super Cool · 12-22-2007

The base form was filler.

**Majuub** · 12-22-2007

5-10% you really think so? Well, I don't think it was that much. Since Vegeto went SSJ right away, we can assume his base form wasn't enough to completely dominate Buu, if I go by your logic, base Vegeto would be stronger than Buu, but not enough to humiliate him. So, if we apply the 5x SSJ multiplier it would give this:

Buu: 1,000
Vegeto: 1,200
SSJ Vegeto: 6,000
SSJ Vegeto holding back: 600??

The only way for him to win would be that his SSJ multiplier is much higher, maybe we should let it at 50x:

Buu:1000
Vegeto:1200
SSJ Vegeto: 60,000
SSJ Vegeto holding back: 6,000

That makes more sens but, could you explain why you think he was holding back that much?

Madness · 12-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Super Cool

The base form was filler.

Good point. I forgot that

Keep in mind Vegetto's goal here. He wanted Buu to absorb him after all, so dominating Buu wouldn't have helped. Vegetto just got to play around a bit :D

SaiyajinPerfection · 12-23-2007

Vegetto in my opinion was probably using 20% of his power.....at the most:

He was only SSj when completely dominating Buu, and he most likely had the ability to SSj3 since Goku was able to.

And his base form was not filler; however, the fight in his base form was.

A zenkai of 100 fold is hard to imagine, but it also depends on the Saiyan's original strength, and how badly he (now let's not be exclusive: or she) is beaten. But of course Dragon Ball is inconsistent, Goku gets rediculous zenkais during the Saiyan and Freeza arcs; while Vegeta's zenkais, though notable, are on a much smaller scale.

warcrack · 12-23-2007

I'm not debating wheter he could ascend to ssj3 (he obviously could, since Goku was able to.)

The reason why I'm asking about Vegetto is that I made a story where a character (previously about as powerful as ssj2 Goku) recieved a near-death increase, putting him on par with a full-power ssj Vegetto.

SRP76 · 12-23-2007

I figure he was using his maximum power level as a Super Saiyan. This is nowhere near what he can really do, since he can go Super Saiyan 2 at the very least, but it's a whole lot simpler than dealing with fractions of a form's power.

Mystic_Gohan · 12-23-2007

I think he was at least using 30-50%...

For all we know he could've transformed straight to SSJ2, he never exactly said he was a SSJ1, he just called himself "Super Vegetto". The electricity in his aura is also something to argue about.

Tyro · 12-23-2007

The lightning engulfed aura was encircling Vegetto in but one panel, during the initial transformation. Throughout the rest of the chapters, from the very next panel where he sends Boo's ki ball hurdling back towards him to his absorption by Boo, he demonstrates only a normal, fire-like, SSj aura. Thus, a SSj was what Vegetto transformed into and remained in throughout the fight.

**Darkprince410** · 12-23-2007

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Originally Posted by Mystic_Gohan

I think he was at least using 30-50%...

For all we know he could've transformed straight to SSJ2, he never exactly said he was a SSJ1, he just called himself "Super Vegetto". The electricity in his aura is also something to argue about.

We know for a fact through idea sketches that Toriyama-sensei drew of Bejitto in both his Ssj and his Ssj2 forms that Bejitto was only in his Ssj form when he fought against Shin Buu. The reason why there is an electrical discharge in his aura when he is first shown transforming from his base to his Ssj form is at present unknown.

warcrack · 12-23-2007

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

We know for a fact through idea sketches that Toriyama-sensei drew of Bejitto in both his Ssj and his Ssj2 forms that Bejitto was only in his Ssj form when he fought against Shin Buu. The reason why there is an electrical discharge in his aura when he is first shown transforming from his base to his Ssj form is at present unknown.

I keep hearing about these original sketches of Vegetto, but I can't find them anywhere. Can someone give me a link or something?
EDIT: Never mind, I made another thread requesting it.

There was probably electricity in the aura just for the sake of looking flashy. It's sort of like trying to explain why Nappa had sparks around him when he powered-up.

12-22-2007	#1 (permalink)
warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Question About Vegetto How much was Vegetto holding back during his battle with Majin Boo? (i.e. half of his full power, etc.) Also, in your opinion is a 100x near-death increase ridiculous?

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Lord Saiyan (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: India Posts: 1,016 Rep Power: 6	Re: Question About Vegetto Vegitto was most probably using a bit more than half his energy..i'd say 60% of his full power...he did power up to super saiyan so the amount of power used will be more than half his strength. a 100 x power up....i dont think a person/saiyan can increase his power so much.... __________________ I AM THE RULER OF ALL SAIYANS!

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Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 5,048 Rep Power: 31	Re: Question About Vegetto Call it an exageration but i think he used 10%. __________________

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LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Question About Vegetto Vegetto fought both on a psychological and physical level, but he was so strong that he managed to completely overwhelm Boo (in his Super State of sorts, Gohan prime) with some mortifyingly simple footwork, while intentionally drawing out the fight. Considering he could at least go SSj2 (that much he restrained himself from, though said form doesn't exactly restrain itself as it's more of a breakdown of what a SSj can do), and that his aura was calm throughout the whole fight, what he displayed was only a fraction of the depth of his rather prodigious, sheer power. Hence the large reading's of his conglomeration of power - I personally am of the belief that it was a largely held back thrashing on his behalf, so I'd have to say that to say he was using around 5%-10% isn't stretching it. __________________

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Madness Commander Madness (29) King of Soul Society Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seeing how long I can make this entry, simply for lol reasons. Maybe I can make it stretch to the o- Posts: 10,186 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 281	Re: Question About Vegetto Yeah I'd say 5% - 10%. Don't forget he wasn't even trying in his base form. He could be hit, but he wasn't trying there either.

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Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 5,048 Rep Power: 31	Re: Question About Vegetto The base form was filler. __________________

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Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,111 Rep Power: 157	Re: Question About Vegetto 5-10% you really think so? Well, I don't think it was that much. Since Vegeto went SSJ right away, we can assume his base form wasn't enough to completely dominate Buu, if I go by your logic, base Vegeto would be stronger than Buu, but not enough to humiliate him. So, if we apply the 5x SSJ multiplier it would give this: Buu: 1,000 Vegeto: 1,200 SSJ Vegeto: 6,000 SSJ Vegeto holding back: 600?? The only way for him to win would be that his SSJ multiplier is much higher, maybe we should let it at 50x: Buu:1000 Vegeto:1200 SSJ Vegeto: 60,000 SSJ Vegeto holding back: 6,000 That makes more sens but, could you explain why you think he was holding back that much? __________________

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SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 22	Re: Question About Vegetto Vegetto in my opinion was probably using 20% of his power.....at the most: He was only SSj when completely dominating Buu, and he most likely had the ability to SSj3 since Goku was able to. And his base form was not filler; however, the fight in his base form was. A zenkai of 100 fold is hard to imagine, but it also depends on the Saiyan's original strength, and how badly he (now let's not be exclusive: or she) is beaten. But of course Dragon Ball is inconsistent, Goku gets rediculous zenkais during the Saiyan and Freeza arcs; while Vegeta's zenkais, though notable, are on a much smaller scale. __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness? Last edited by SaiyajinPerfection; 12-23-2007 at 05:23 AM.

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warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Re: Question About Vegetto I'm not debating wheter he could ascend to ssj3 (he obviously could, since Goku was able to.) The reason why I'm asking about Vegetto is that I made a story where a character (previously about as powerful as ssj2 Goku) recieved a near-death increase, putting him on par with a full-power ssj Vegetto.

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SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 39	Re: Question About Vegetto I figure he was using his maximum power level as a Super Saiyan. This is nowhere near what he can really do, since he can go Super Saiyan 2 at the very least, but it's a whole lot simpler than dealing with fractions of a form's power.

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Mystic_Gohan (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,475 Rep Power: 3	Re: Question About Vegetto I think he was at least using 30-50%... For all we know he could've transformed straight to SSJ2, he never exactly said he was a SSJ1, he just called himself "Super Vegetto". The electricity in his aura is also something to argue about.

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Tyro (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Somerset, Kentucky Posts: 1,043 Rep Power: 7	Re: Question About Vegetto The lightning engulfed aura was encircling Vegetto in but one panel, during the initial transformation. Throughout the rest of the chapters, from the very next panel where he sends Boo's ki ball hurdling back towards him to his absorption by Boo, he demonstrates only a normal, fire-like, SSj aura. Thus, a SSj was what Vegetto transformed into and remained in throughout the fight. Last edited by Tyro; 12-23-2007 at 06:58 AM.