Fred

Raditz is 1,500, not 1,200. Take this, nay sayers.



http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1...levels1df2.jpg

The link is there if it fades away on me again.

And this might've been posted before, but I guess it couldn't hurt to post it again.

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Zer0

Uh...no

The Cultivators (Saibamen) were stated in the manga to be over 1,200 and equal to Radittsu.

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Fred

Are you doing good in math?

1,500 > 1,200.

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Zer0

Actually no I'm barely passing with a D- (I skip oral presentations[I'm too hood for that shit])

But Pikkoro's Light of Death was stronger than Radittsu. Your not saying that it was stronger than 1,500 are you? Also according to the Daizenshuu Yamucha is at 1,480. He was stronger than the Cultivator that was at 1,500? Why say over 1,200 instead of flat out saying 1,500 when its an exact number? The Daizenshuu states Nappa's level is at 4,000. That's clearly not true. Furiza is also stated at 120,000,000 to Gokuu's 150,000,000. Again that can't work. The Daizenshuu are more like guidelines that an actual clear cut listing.

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Tyro

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daizenshuu. We've known about them for years, and their listings. They're not absolutely correct. They're not fully canon, more like side notes that can be considered "interesting" and something to be noted in debates and such, but certainly not "proof" of anything that happened in the canon series.

Raditz is stated to be "over 1,200". Most interpret that as 1,201 - 1,299 because "over 1,200" isn't giving a whole lot of way to 1,500. That's like saying Goku as "over 8,000" in the Saiya-jin arc is 11,000 because, hey, 11,000 > 8,000.

Although I wont say Raditz's power level is set in stone at 1,299 tops during that time period, it's unlikely that Nappa, making plans to fight alongside Raditz (that's the whole reason Raditz went to find Goku. A planet required more than the three of them to be taken over) would be off by 3,000. He obviously knew Raditz was equal to the Saibaimen, which I'm betting are used in battle with him quite often (look at how he was quick to grow some on Earth as opposed to getting his own hands dirty), thus he would have a good reading of Raditz's power level.

Fred

@ Zer0: Well Toriyama approved the Frieza one, but I see your point on this one. I also can't see how someone with only a 10 PL can destroy a car when someone with a 5 is a farmer. Meh, someone close this I guess.

@Tyro: You barely beat me, and like I said, I concede my point.

Lulz at too hood for oral presentations, I'm too hood for homework of any kind. However, he forgets to write it down, so the next day I tell him he already marked me down. Yes, my life is better than yours =\.

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Gn'R_Forever

The Light of Death was stronger than a battle weary Raditz. Not necessarily a full power one.

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Majuub

Well, I don't exactly remember when, but I'm pretty sure Raditz stated himself that he was 1,200. When he was toying with Piccolo, he said he was only 408 and Goku 416 and that he was 1,200.

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Darkprince410

No, until Nappa compares Radittsu to the Cultivars, no number is given to his battle power whatsoever. As for the Makankosappo being stronger than a "battle weary" Radittsu, apart from a slightly seared hand from blocking Gokuu's Kamehameha, Radittsu took no damage from that fight and hardly appeared tired at all. So the stated ki level of the initial Makankosappo (1,330 as indicated by Radittsu's scouter) is stronger than what his battle power was.

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Fred

Your forgetting Gohan's head butt. He says he feels weaker after it.

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an0nym0us

pardon me but the problem in this topic is "you just look at the numbers without logic"

how did you say that daizenshuu is not correct? i'm sure there's nothing wrong in the power level list of daizenshuu which akira toriyama approved.

don't tell me you can undertand french and japanese, since there were no english version of daizenshuu.

can a farmer use a special chi attack? pl of 10 is too strong for a human adult

nappa saying raditz is equal to saibaiman is just a character's opinion, you can't prove them wrong until the official guide book confirms it.

raditz didn't say he was 1200, at least show me some evidence that raditz stated that word.

yes, it's true that the light of death is stronger than raditz who is already weak (thanks to gohan) but

light of death is 1330 while raditz is 1500

1500-1330 = 170 is not a big gap and 1330 is 88.65% of raditz 's power. no wonder raditz was so afraid even if he took it in full health/power.



yamcha is 1480 while saibaiman is 1200

1480-1200 = 280 is not a big gap, yamcha was overconfident at that time and 1200 is 81.1% of yamcha's power.




nappa is 4000 no doubt about that, you can't say it's wrong without knowing anything...


based on daizenshuu and manga, 2x stronger is already a huge gap.

examples:

goku and a farmer, what can a farmer do against goku at the beginning of dragon ball since it was proven that goku at the beginning can beat most adults.

tenshinhan and king piccolo, do i still need to explain it?

Fred

I'm in yellow. And next time use some grammar, because I can't tell if you're on my side or not O_o.

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Darkprince410

1) Every version of the manga clearly has Nappa saying that the Cultivars were the exact same strength as Radittsu (and he clearly states that they were over 1,200). If Radittsu and the Cultivars were any real degree above 1,200, then he would have stated that they were above 1,300 or above 1,400, or something along those lines. However, he stated that they were over 1,200, meaning that while they were stronger than that, they weren't by all that much. It isn't a character's opinion, as Toriyama-sensei wrote it into the manga specifically to give the readers an idea of their strength.

2) The first Makankosappo fired at Radittsu was when he was in peak condition, as apart from a slightly burned hand from deflecting a Kamehameha that was stated to be over 1,000, yet he clearly states that if the Makankosappo had hit him full on, there wouldn't have been much left of him at all. As such, 1,330 > Radittsu.

3) Nappa is only in the 4,000 range when he's fighting against Pikkoro and the rest of the Z Senshi. Towards the end of his battle with Gokuu (just before Bejiita orders him to give up), he and Nappa are shown fighting near evenly with one another (they are trading blow for blow, and Gokuu says that at the rate they're going, the fight would take forever), and this is when Gokuu is at his maximum base form battle power of over 8,000. As such, in this powered up state that Nappa is exhibiting, he has to be in the 8,000 range, which is far above the 4,000 stated in the daizenshuu.

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Eragon

[quote=Jonny America;847038]@ Zer0: Well Toriyama approved the Frieza one, but I see your point on this one. I also can't see how someone with only a 10 PL can destroy a car when someone with a 5 is a farmer. Meh, someone close this I guess.
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About that.. I'm always kinda just thought that the weaker someone is, the larger a gap a small difference can make, meaning ya could, in theory, do Dragonball PL's(I'd assume; haven't ever actually tried it).... so basically meaning then PL of 10 to 5 would be a huge difference, whereas 1,000,005 isn't that much bigger than 1,000,000

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Final Ultima

It really doesn't matter, the Daizenshuu's are the only OFFICIAL numbers you can use. The Manga/Anime doesn't even give clear cut numbers like the Daizenshuu. We have no reason to disregard them or say "those aren't true" or "that can't work."