Hah, eat it. - Page 3

an0nym0us · 12-20-2007

you ignored it all!!!!!

i hope you're not using dial-up

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

1) Nappa knows how strong the Cultivars are because they are artificial constructs created with a specific battle power (that power being the stated "over 1,200") not to mention the fact that he's used them before (his brief conversation with Bejiita about them confirming this) so it's not like he wouldn't know their capabilities.

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

Likewise, he knows how strong Radittsu is because he's worked with him ever since the destruction of Bejiita-sei, and would have had every opportunity to scan his battle power (and undoubtedly would have)

stop assuming...

it's still a statement not a measurement......

you can't rely on characters statement all the time

i asked you before to translate the book 7 of daizenshuu

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

2/3) Enough to hurt Gokuu and enough to give Gokuu a good enough fight that he'd retort that the fight could go on forever are two very different things. Not to mention the very next page Bejiita also states that it would take forever with Nappa at the rate it was going. Gokuu wouldn't have said that the fight would take forever unless he really meant it (he was saving the Kaiou-ken as a last resort technique, so he didn't intend to use it on Nappa). Then factor in that when Nappa charged at Kuririn and Gohan, Gokuu was physically unable to catch him going as fast as he could in his base form (he had to resort to using the Kaiou-ken to catch him).

your assuming too much...

goku and nappa were not equal:

vegeta: unbelievable.!!! To deflect it..at that distance!

Goku deflects Nappa’s ultimate attack with a fireball in unbelievable distance…

Goku’s fireball = is that a special technique?

Nappa’s ultimate technique = his strongest

goku stated it could take forever because nappa’s ultimate attack made him sweat.

As I said before if goku would do nothing, nappa could hurt goku because:

Goku is 8000 or over 8000

Nappa is 4000 according to daizenshuu which akira toriyama approved

Nappa has 45%-50% of goku’s power,

your underestimating power level 4000 if you think that could not hurt a non-moving goku (power level of 8000)

50%-45% of goku's power is enough to hurt goku if he would do nothing, but it's still a huge gap if your talking about a battle.

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Goku doesn’t need to use kaiohken but,

nappa tricked goku:

because nappa tricked goku,

goku had no time to catch nappa and that is the reason why goku had to resort using the kaiohken,

goku: no use. i'll never make it!!!!

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

This is the same Nappa that was unable to even keep up with Gokuu just a few minutes earlier (before Nappa was shown to calm down and power up), so explain how Nappa would have been able to attain such a serious strength and speed boost if he's not able to power up?

your only assuming just because nappa powerred-up,

nappa didn't attain strength and speed boost when he powerred up...

nappa wasn't thinking before, because he is in a fit of rage.....

again prove me that,

power up and increasing power level are equal

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

The manga scan I posted showing Nappa powering up cannot be disregarded, as it clearly shows that he is in fact raising his battle power under his own free will (which is exactly what the term "power up" means, to increase the level of power that the user has in comparison to what they had beforehand). Pikkoro clearly indicates that he had no idea that Nappa's battle power would be so high, and since he's been able to detect Nappa's battle power from the very start, the only way that he'd be surprised about it would be if it increased beyond what he had been sensing. There's nothing in the manga that suggests that Nappa didn't have the ability to raise and lower his battle power, just that until his time on Earth, Bejiita didn't have the ability.

your contradicting the whole story....

vegeta >>> nappa >>> raditz >>> saibaiman

are you trying to suggest that nappa is more skillful than vegeta because nappa can increase his power level..

please read the manga scans above and explain vegeta's statements:

is this a statements that knew something about increasing the power level?

vegeta: it may be. these fools seem able to vary their power.

vegeta: as i thought. their powers fluctuate tremendously.

vegeta: his power dropped all the way down. it seems he used it all up just now.

remember that nappa, vegeta, and raditz have been working together since the destruction of planet vegeta. if nappa can increase his power level, why did vegeta reacts like he doesn't know about increasing power level.

"the biggest failure of your strange theory is that nappa can increase his power level while vegeta cannot"

you said that nappa can increase his power level because he can power up and that vegeta didn’t have the ability, but what if vegeta can power up,

vegeta can power up just like nappa:

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vegeta can power-up just like nappa and it’s not increasing their power level because vegeta admits in planet namek that is the first time he learned how to increase his power level:

Now you know my reasons why I keep on believing that saiyan-arc nappa and vegeta can’t increase their power level.

to make the story short:

akira toriyama >>>> Darkprince410

Xyex · 12-20-2007

Raditz = 1,2xx. This is stated in the manga, anime, and the Daizenshuu. Raditz personal biography lists his power as 'over 1,200'. The 1,500 is a typo found only in that powerlevel chart and never repeated anywhere else.

Final Ultima · 12-20-2007

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Originally Posted by warcrack

But the thing is that the Daizenshuu contradict stuff clearly stated in the manga:

Daizenshuu
Cultivators: 1200
Raditz: 1500

Manga
Volume 18 / 2, Page 148: "It's impossible...! The Cultivars' power is over 1200...! Equal to Raditz, every one of them...!"

This is why I don't approve of Viz^^^....

Nappa: Im...impossible...!! The combat power of Saibai Man is 1200...!! With only power, he could square off with Raditz...!!

Vegeta: Going by simple calculation, his combat power should exceed that.

Nappa: But...! There is no such data!!

Like I said there is no contradiction and when there is no clear cut number we go by the Daizenshuu.

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Not to mention

Nappa (full power) = Gokuu (full power base): They are shown on equal footing towards the end of their fight after Nappa has calmed down, trading and avoiding eachother's attacks as if the same strength. Not to mention after Gokuu manages to block Nappa's mouth blast with his own Kamehameha, he states that the fight could go on forever (meaning that they were so close in power to one another that neither had the power advantage)

Gokuu (full power base) stated at being over 8,000 by Bejiita

And? This is not a reason to dismiss the Daizenshuu.

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