Kaio ken while SSj? (and one other question)

Mastermind~Shu · 12-13-2007

First off, Im new, and i want to say hi.
Question time.

1. Do you think its possibe for Son Goku to use kaio ken while SSj or higher to multiply his strength?

2. Can Vegerot Ascend SSJ?

What do you think?

Cableguy15 · 12-13-2007

1. I'm guessing no, otherwise he would have attempted it at some point, probably against Cell. Maybe Toriyama just completely forgot about it, who knows? =P

2.I'm guessing by Vegerot you mean Vegito, so yes, I believe he could if he wanted to. Just lok at how Gotenks is able to reach SSJ3 and Goten and Trunks aren't even able to go beyond SSJ, so I'd imagince Vegeto could go as far as SSJ3 with ease.

Mastermind~Shu · 12-13-2007

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

1. I'm guessing no, otherwise he would have attempted it at some point, probably against Cell. Maybe Toriyama just completely forgot about it, who knows? =P

2.I'm guessing by Vegerot you mean Vegito, so yes, I believe he could if he wanted to. Just lok at how Gotenks is able to reach SSJ3 and Goten and Trunks aren't even able to go beyond SSJ, so I'd imagince Vegeto could go as far as SSJ3 with ease.

Yes, by Vegerot I mean Vegeto. I say Vegerot because thats the way hes named in the VIZ manga. Good points there. I want to know why people think its impossible to use Kaio-Ken while in an SSJ state. All we know about kaio ken is that it multiplys your power.(lol, awnsered my own question)

**Vizard** · 12-13-2007

1. I think he used it in a filler scene in the anime against pikkon. He was SSJ1

2. In my opinion yes, he can. I'm not so sure about ssj3 but maybe he can reach even that.

GOAT · 12-13-2007

1. He probaly could've done it in ssj1 because thats just like a normal state to him so it wouldn't anymore strain on the body than if he did it base. Probaly not in ssj2 or 3 because that would put tremendous strain on the body and would most likely kill him.

2. Yes because Goku and Vegeta were both more powerful than Goten and Trunks, also potara is more powerful than fusion so yes he could've easily gone ssj3 but there was no need to use that much power you saw how he handled Buu in just normal super saiyan.

king omega · 12-13-2007

1.Yes, he can and actually did once,

2.Well yes of course he can, it is just he never needed to since he was already winning.

Gn'R_Forever · 12-13-2007

1. It would probably be way too much strain on his body

2. Most likely.

DarthVenom9808 · 12-14-2007

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1. Do you think its possibe for Son Goku to use kaio ken while SSj or higher to multiply his strength?

No. But this raises a question. A common multiplier for SSJ Goku on Namek is 50, and most believe that it lowers over time. So when you have Goku in the Buu saga, with a base power level exceeding the billions, imagine how high he'd be able to amplify his power if he could do X10 at 90,000. Certainly over 50 times.

Something that I've always wondered about too was why King Kai never taught any of the earthlings the Kaioken. Sure it wouldn't have made much difference but the one moment that stands out in my mind is when Tien performed the Neo Tri Beam on Semi-Perfect Cell. Can you imagine the force behind a Kaioken X 20 Neo-Tri Beam?

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-14-2007

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Originally Posted by DarthVenom9808

Something that I've always wondered about too was why King Kai never taught any of the earthlings the Kaioken. Sure it wouldn't have made much difference but the one moment that stands out in my mind is when Tien performed the Neo Tri Beam on Semi-Perfect Cell. Can you imagine the force behind a Kaioken X 20 Neo-Tri Beam?

While 1 year and 260 days is a lucrative amount of time, after Freeza (who was arguably the lesser of evils when looking at the series at large) was cleaned up by the Legendary Super Saiyan of lore, there was no immediate threat after the aforesaid, not giving any of the humans who trained with Kaioshin incentive to learn the Kaio-ken (with whim, especially), on reason of that.

The same may go for the Genki Dama - and Tenshinhan's Neo Ki-kô-hô was dangerous and bodacious enough as it was, as it is not based off of Tenshinhan's physical repetoire (battle-power wise), and would have eventually killed him over the amount of times it was used. Even the Ki-hô-hô was dangerous in all facets as he used it in the 22nd Budokai. That aside, Super Saiyan forms > a massive chi-burning technique that lasts for a window of time, that is tantamount to the Kaio-ken in all its variations.

As for Vegetto... "ascend"? I see no reason why he couldn't access SS2 at the least. He just drew out his bout with Boo for the sake of stupefying him (Boo) and freeing Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks, if that answers anything.

DarthVenom9808 · 12-14-2007

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While 1 year and 260 days is a lucrative amount of time, after Freeza (who was arguably the lesser of evils when looking at the series at large) was cleaned up by the Legendary Super Saiyan of lore, there was no immediate threat after the aforesaid, not giving any of the humans who trained with Kaioshin incentive to learn the Kaio-ken (with whim, especially), on reason of that.

Indeed that does make sense. A lot of sense actually, however you must agree that it would have been interesting to see the technique of Kaioken carried on further by other beings. I was actually quite disappointed that the Kaioken was never used again after Namek (aside from that Super Kaioken filler nonsense). It does however, seem a little out of character for Tien, whose goal was to get as strong as possible, not to request learning the art of Kaioken despite the universe not appearing to have any threats.

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Mastermind~Shu (6) Disciple of Kami Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Namek, beating the crap outta Freeza. Posts: 47 Rep Power: 0	Kaio ken while SSj? (and one other question) First off, Im new, and i want to say hi. Question time. 1. Do you think its possibe for Son Goku to use kaio ken while SSj or higher to multiply his strength? 2. Can Vegerot Ascend SSJ? What do you think? __________________ Sig by me. Namek Arc > The other ones. Best Quotes In DBZ/Naruto/Whatever else Tobi: Oh, you're alive. More to be added. Last edited by Mastermind~Shu; 12-13-2007 at 01:22 AM. Reason: Need to space something.

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Cableguy15 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,259 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 25	Re: Kaio ken while SSj? (and one other question) 1. I'm guessing no, otherwise he would have attempted it at some point, probably against Cell. Maybe Toriyama just completely forgot about it, who knows? =P 2.I'm guessing by Vegerot you mean Vegito, so yes, I believe he could if he wanted to. Just lok at how Gotenks is able to reach SSJ3 and Goten and Trunks aren't even able to go beyond SSJ, so I'd imagince Vegeto could go as far as SSJ3 with ease. __________________ Cableguy's Power Levels: Saiyan Saga Cableguy's Power Levels: Namek Cableguy's Power Levels: Freeza Saga

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Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,206 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 219	Re: Kaio ken while SSj? (and one other question) 1. I think he used it in a filler scene in the anime against pikkon. He was SSJ1 2. In my opinion yes, he can. I'm not so sure about ssj3 but maybe he can reach even that. __________________ Locke will FUCK your Shit UP!

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king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: Kaio ken while SSj? (and one other question) 1.Yes, he can and actually did once, 2.Well yes of course he can, it is just he never needed to since he was already winning. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

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Gn'R_Forever (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 2	Re: Kaio ken while SSj? (and one other question) 1. It would probably be way too much strain on his body 2. Most likely. __________________ </post>