an0nym0us

which is stronger?

muten roshi's kame hame ha that pulverized the moon

or

20 megaton nuclear blast

info about nuclear blast:

Effects of nuclear explosions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TNT equivalent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nikushimi

Roshi's Kamehameha is easily more powerful.

However, the freaking heat of a nuke is so intense, it'd probably kill...anyone weaker than Perfect Cell. Maybe stronger. I don't know the resistance to heat well enough to get specific, but I do know that it was stated Goku died/could have died in the lava, and lava is NOTHING compared to the sun's core.

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Kenshyuk

-second time posting in the DBZ section, and not because I like it, mind you-

Lava couldn't possibly hope to do so much as leave a minor burn on any SS. I remember being in a debate about this waaay back when I was still a child thinking DBZ had some good qualities, and this never happened in the manga. I mean..I remember reading('s been 5 years since I've read DBZ, so excuse me if I get some facts wrong, 'kay?) straight after the Grandfather Gohan fight that he fought Pilaf and his loons, one of whom burned off his clothes with the heat of a flamethrower, but note that it didn't do so much as burn Goku, though it apparently stung him. Now, if we factor in that Roshi's guaged PL was like 139(checked), and Goku was like..below a Tenshinhan who put up an around-even battle against said Roshi at this point since he hasn't trained for the three years yet, I'd say that Goku would be like in the..high 140's at most, and that's only because Roshi probably weakened in DBZ over time. Now, if we factor in that the durability and resistance of characters seems to increase proportionately to their increase in power level like their speed, SS Goku, who was literally over a million times stronger than the Goku that survived the flamethrower, the heat of a nuke wouldn't kill him, let alone guys like Cell. Hell, it wouldn't even kill Vegeta from his arc, considering that Vegeta took a blast that overpowered his planet-busting beam(planet-busting>>>>a nuke. Easily.) to the back, without too much visible damage. The really, really strong guys, like the fusions that show up later in the crap-filled arcs after Freeza, would easily survive a million nukes combined. Only reason they'd die from that, if it happened at all, is if the shockwave from those million nukes destroyed the planet, and they couldn't breathe in the vacuum of space.

Whew, I've said a mouthful for a guy who passionately hates DBZ and all things associated. And yeah, a moon-busting beam>>>>>a nuke. Easily.

Shaka of virgo

Hates is a strong word brother but is your opinion, to me it makes me go to work out, and the i am not from U.S.A, when you see the anime translate for childrens and cut the violence parts, i get to see with original translation the anime, and the sex jokes, and the violence, etc, but like allways, there are better animes or mangas, but the succes of DB help the Mangakas to do better Qualities of manga.

Still i think Manga are a lot better than comics.

About Roshi full power Kamehame ha is stronger than a nuke. Roshi bulk in a similar way like Trunks learn in the Rosat, so i believe is a huge concentration of power.

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Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.

an0nym0us

it's filler, plz back up your assumption.

goku survived lava when fighting freeza, goku was thrown to lava and he survived it.

warcrack

There's really no way to compare anything in Dragonball to a nuclear blast, because nothing has ever replicated a nuke in the series (radiation and heat included). It's all speculation.

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Majuub

The Nucelar blast is much more intense, but the kamehameha of Roshi is more powerful. The difference is, the blast from Roshi causes damamge over a much wider area, while the nuclear blast covers a smaller area but totally obliterate what it touches. There is the difference, if only the nuclear blast wasn't that small, it would utterly destroy and completely vaporize the moon. There is a difference between power and intensity.

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warcrack

That's an interesting explanation. So by your theory, even if a nuclear blast was less powerful than a kamehameha, it could still disinegrate a Dragonball character at point-blank range?

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

A nuclear blast has more power, but Muten Roshi's blast was much larger.


Keep in mind, size doesn't determine power.

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SS2 Vegeto

Blasts in Dragonball are used differently, but anyone who knows a thing or two about nuclear explosions know that they would kill just about anyone not approaching Super Saiya-jin 2 levels of power. It can't cause the same widespread destruction as the blasts in Dragonball can, because it's not a beam, or a solid sphere, or large enough and spread out enough to swallow up that much, and it's not directed at anything, it is a pure release of energy. It stays exactly where it explodes. However, if you want to think Roshi could produce heat as hot as the sun's core, and release ki matching over 1% of the energy output of the entire sun, fine. There's nothing to suggest that. The blast might not be capable of causing the same widespread damage, but the damage easily caused by the intensity of energy within a thermonuclear blast far exceeds it by far.

Here's all the evidence anyone should need: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage

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warcrack

I remember that thread; I posted in it.

Even though all of that information is correct, the specifics of it (temperatures, how many Earths can fit inside the sun, etc.) shouldn't be used in comparing Dragonball characters because, if they were placed within that universe by Mr. Toriyama, he wouldn't be using that much effort in making everything precise.

If we have to compare nukes to Dragonball characters, we should just use these generalities:

-ssj2-like power can destroy the Sun

-Sun's heat>>>heat of a nuke

-heat of a nuke>>>everything on Earth

-destructive power of a kamehameha>>>destructive power of a nuke

-energy intensity of a nuke>>>energy intensity of a kamehameha

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SS2 Vegeto

If we try to accurately compare power at all, we have to be precise in order to get an idea of where exactly they stand as compared. That said, the only ways in which the kamehameha has greater destructive power are in it's possibly greater force, and the fact that it is directed, and can be sustained, to blast and destroy objects as it continues to affect them farther than a nuclear explosion can or will reach, since a thermonuclear blast is just a pure release of energy. It's destruction is more wide-spread. Destructive power, as in ability to cause damage as in the power of the blast itself, the damage that would be sustained within the explosion, is a different matter. Such intensity of power would not be seen until the late Cell Saga.

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Nikushimi

It's definitely certain that nukes are hotter, but it's downright insane to call them more powerful.

The Kamehameha oblitereted the fecking MOON. The Kamehameha wasn't a gigantic blast that swallowed the moon, it was a beam that pierced the moon, caused an explosion, and instantly vaporized billions-trillions-whatever of tons of rock nigh-instantaneously, in that subsequent explosion.

Yes, it's true, the force of a nuke could do the same thing if there was enough size to the blast, but...that's just common sense. The same could be said for TNT, or hand grenades, in a hypothetical situation where you could have as many as you wanted.

The fact of the matter is, Roshi's blast shot through a miniature planet like nothing and completely erased it, despite having very little surface area. If the Kamehameha was the size of the moon itself, there might be an argument, but clearly, we're dealing with something that far outstrips the power of a nuke.

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SS2 Vegeto

It doesn't matter if it's big enough to do that or not, because as far as power is concerned, it's got..like, over 1% of the power output of the sun cut loose within the blast radius, and the only difference here is the nature of the blasts themselves. The fact that Roshi's kamehameha can blow up the moon only happens because it is suited to do that. If it was a pure release of the same power which was not directed or sustainable, it wouldn't have less power, but it couldn't blow up the moon any more than a nuke could, either.

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warcrack

But, in an in-universe perspective, such precision is non-existant; had a nuclear blast been included in Dragonball, the author probably wouldn't have been calculating the power output and temperature of nuclear bombs compared to the power output of the Sun; he'd probably have a vague idea that the Sun is much, much hotter and produces much more engergy than a nuclear bomb, and that a nuclear bomb is much, much hotter than anything on Earth.

I agree with this.

As a side note, since temperature and chi are two entirely different things, it is very possible that Dragonball characters could succumb to the heat of a nuclear bomb, even if they can easily withstand Roshi's kamehameha.