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Old 12-10-2007   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: muten roshi's kame hame ha against nuclear blasts.....

The crater was different, but I was talking about the size of the actual fireball.

What I'm saying about Roshi's kamehameha, or any kamehameha for that matter, is that it continues to put out more power, thus, as long as it has the intensity to destroy the substance of which the object is made up of, and the speed (speed x mass = force) to penetrate quickly, then the energy doesn't actually have to be that intense because it is spread out, and since it is a continuous stream, he just needs to overwhelm it fast like this to destroy it. It doesn't seem possible that you could apply the same measurement of a single, short blast, that releases energy, and fades, to a continual release of energy. And, since it's a spiritual power, what I am saying is that you can't gauruntee that it is subject to the same laws in the first place - I think that the idea that Freeza can potentiall be injured, even in a weakened state, by heat and power released from within a mere planet supports this idea.

Also, avoid double posting. Edit instead.
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Old 12-10-2007   #32 (permalink)
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Default Re: muten roshi's kame hame ha against nuclear blasts.....

GAIZ, KISHIMOTO SAID IT HIMSELF, DRAGONBALL IT IS THE ANIME AND THE MANGA!!!!!!!!

AND LOOK HOW EASILY IT CUTS THROUGH RICE PAPER!!!!!!!! BUY NOW!!!!!!!!1




Naw, but seriously, this argument about "joules" and "energy output" is starting to get unnecessarily..."elaborate", for lack of a more suitable word.
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Default Re: muten roshi's kame hame ha against nuclear blasts.....

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The crater was different, but I was talking about the size of the actual fireball.
this is where you failed to comprehend, did i mention anything about the size of the kame hame ha?

what i'm saying about is the moon being pulverized by a kame hame ha, not a size of the blast.

and how many joules of energy it would take to pulverize the moon?

because it is also possible for the nuke to destroy a solar system based on the joules of energy calculation.

but if what your saying is correct, then pulverizing a moon requires less joules of energy to destroy a city.

the nukes' damage and joules of energy determines how powerful the blasts is......

nukes is a blasts:

blast - 40-50% of total energy
thermal radiation- 30-50% of total energy
ionizing radiation- 5% of total energy
residual radiation- 5-10% of total energy

Effects of nuclear explosions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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What I'm saying about Roshi's kamehameha, or any kamehameha for that matter, is that it continues to put out more power, thus, as long as it has the intensity to destroy the substance of which the object is made up of, and the speed (speed x mass = force) to penetrate quickly, then the energy doesn't actually have to be that intense because it is spread out, and since it is a continuous stream, he just needs to overwhelm it fast like this to destroy it. It doesn't seem possible that you could apply the same measurement of a single, short blast, that releases energy, and fades, to a continual release of energy. And, since it's a spiritual power, what I am saying is that you can't gauruntee that it is subject to the same laws in the first place - I think that the idea that Freeza can potentiall be injured, even in a weakened state, by heat and power released from within a mere planet supports this idea.

Also, avoid double posting. Edit instead.
it's spiritually related but still "it's a blasts" and to measure a blasts, there is a joules of energy.

since when did freeza can be potentially injured by heat and power released from within a planet?

if you're talking about genkidama, it is a combined energy of inanimate and living things. it's chi is higher.

just because it is within a planet, doesn't mean it's already weak.

remember, nukes came from within planet yet the heat of the explosion can par with the sun.


and if we don't use physics here but pure logic, technically moon pulverizing blast is hotter.


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GAIZ, KISHIMOTO SAID IT HIMSELF, DRAGONBALL IT IS THE ANIME AND THE MANGA!!!!!!!!

AND LOOK HOW EASILY IT CUTS THROUGH RICE PAPER!!!!!!!! BUY NOW!!!!!!!!1




Naw, but seriously, this argument about "joules" and "energy output" is starting to get unnecessarily..."elaborate", for lack of a more suitable
for you it's starting to get unnecessarily

still, where is your proof that dbz goku could die in a lava.........

"i do know" argument is not valid evidence

stop assuming......
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Default Re: muten roshi's kame hame ha against nuclear blasts.....

The answers you will get are totally based on opinions because we can't really compare them. I would say kamehameha because is a mystical ray
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The answers you will get are totally based on opinions because we can't really compare them. I would say kamehameha because is a mystical ray
it's not an opinion, it's a blast and based on pure logic even the scientist would say the moon pulverizing power is hotter and more powerful.

besides according to daizenshuu, toriyama based the chi blast attack on nuclear explosions.

and chi blasts can pulverize moon and planets.

it's mystically related but still "it's a blasts" and to measure a blasts, there is a joules of energy.

joules of energy determine the heat output of any blasts or explosion, this is where the others failed to understand.

if we use physics here, it's only a matter of joules of energy

if we use pure logic, technically moon pulverizing is hotter and powerful

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it's not an opinion, it's a blast and based on pure logic even the scientist would say the moon pulverizing power is hotter and more powerful.

besides according to daizenshuu, toriyama based the chi blast attack on nuclear explosions.

and chi blasts can pulverize moon and planets.

it's mystically related but still "it's a blasts" and to measure a blasts, there is a joules of energy.

joules of energy determine the heat output of any blasts or explosion, this is where the others failed to understand.

if we use physics here, it's only a matter of joules of energy

if we use pure logic, technically moon pulverizing is hotter and powerful
LOL if i could do the kamehameha and measure the joules then, believe me, I would tell you.
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LOL if i could do the kamehameha and measure the joules then, believe me, I would tell you.
this isn't about the kame hame ha or any fire ball, it's about the energy and the damage it could done.

The joule is the SI unit of energy, now prove me that a kame hame ha is not an energy.

One joule is the work done, now prove me that a kame hame ha is not a work done.

A joule is the mechanical equivalent of heat meaning the number of units of work in which the unit of heat can perform, now this proves that moon busting is hotter than nukes.

Joule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if Ultimate_Gohan's assumptions were true, then any characters move in dragon ball is not a work

excuse me, but i think it's unnecessary for 15-19 yrs old to understand this.

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this isn't about the kame hame ha or any fire ball, it's about the energy and the damage it could done.

The joule is the SI unit of energy, now prove me that a kame hame ha is not an energy.

One joule is the work done, now prove me that a kame hame ha is not a work done.

A joule is the mechanical equivalent of heat meaning the number of units of work in which the unit of heat can perform, now this proves that moon busting is hotter than nukes.

Joule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if Ultimate_Gohan's assumptions were true, then any characters move in dragon ball is not a work

excuse me, but i think it's unnecessary for 15-19 yrs old to understand this.

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Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Now I'll go and read the physics book. Thanks again and I promise I'll do my best to grow older as much as I can.
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