Buu Arc was much more childish

scabab · 12-05-2007

There was a reason why i was never fully keen on the original Dragon Ball is because characters like Roshi, Pilaf, Oolong, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe and a few others, oh and to a lower extent Bulma made the show childish and kinda kiddified..

Roshi wasnt funny he was just stupid. As was Oolong they tried to be funny but werent.

Now the reason i love DBZ is because characters like Roshi, Oolong, Yajirobe and other silly characters from DB practically went off the show and it became a more serious show with people like Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Frieza and Cell and it became a more action packed adult orientated show.

But now in the Buu Arc its just gone back to being more silly and childish again.

They brought in alot of new characters to make it comical again

Hercule - is not in the slightest bit funny
Fat Buu - is just a joke "Buu turn you into milk" is that meant to be funny?

Goten and Kid Trunks - not really bad characters but made it more kiddified

Babidi - was just unnecessarily stupid

Old Supreme Kai - The guardian of the universe was a pervert, that was just plain wrong we already had Roshi.

The fusion dance was pointless in making it try to be funny when it wasnt.

The whole saiyaman thing was just completely unnecessary.

The world tournament that was fun and interesting in Dragon Ball was very dissapoint in DBZ.

Old Supreme Kai dancing around going "sleepy power wake up now" its like the show went from targeting more grown up audiences to little kids.

But whats worse is that instead of just introducing childish characters, all the best ones are gone.

Vegeta is killed off.

The Trunks people actually liked was replaced by a arrogant kid when adult Trunks was never arrogant.

Piccolo is barely in it and when he is, is made comical by doing the fusion dance.

Another thing about the Buu Arc is that they made Buu so ridiculously powerful that most characters became useless.

Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, 18 even Piccolo could do nothing so had small parts.

The Frieza saga except for the Ginyu squad was very much targeted more for adults than kids,

Its gone from things like

Krillin being tortured
Krillin dieing
Frieza being cut in half

To

"Buu says make sure you brush your teeth"
"Buu turn you into coookie"

What ashame

chimney_leaf · 12-06-2007

Do you seriously think that any of the from DBZ is aimed at adults...it's a kid's show, pure and simple

But some of the points you raise are true, some of Buu's scenes are cringeworthy, but from what you are writing, you haven't watched it all...stick it out, it gets better

dino · 12-06-2007

What you've got to realize is that Akira Toriyama is really more of a comedy writer. He wrote Dr. Slump before Dragonball, and other works of his have been more comedy oriented: Nekomajin Z, his "crappy manga theatre" tankoubon one shot collections, etc. His favourite fight scene in the entire series is the one where Super Buu fights Piccolo and Gotenks in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

I really just think he prefers to write less serious stuff.

king omega · 12-06-2007

dude if you want to watch an adult/nonchildish anime watch death note, or bleach, or even Yu Yu Hakasho.

DBZ and Naruto are mostly intended for childern.

Naruto is better with emotion and such.

Where as DBZ has very little other than you killed people so now I kill you.

It is TV-14 too.

Akira is not a serious dude from what I have seen, esp. Dragonball.

Broly · 12-06-2007

Well, I do feel you on this one. The Buu Arc is not nearly as good as the Freeza and Cell Arcs. I guess Toriyama just didn't put his heart into creating the 3rd Main Arc.

Deep Thought · 12-06-2007

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Originally Posted by king omega

dude if you want to watch an adult/nonchildish anime watch death note, or bleach, or even Yu Yu Hakasho.

DBZ and Naruto are mostly intended for childern.

Naruto is better with emotion and such.

Where as DBZ has very little other than you killed people so now I kill you.

It is TV-14 too.

Akira is not a serious dude from what I have seen, esp. Dragonball.

When was Dragon Ball rated TV-14? Last time I checked, it wasn't even rated Y7.

warcrack · 12-06-2007

^I agree with Broly completely.

What happened was that as Dragonball became more action-oriented, it lost its original story elements, which became very clear by the time of "Dragonball Z." The series started trading magic and comedy for science fiction and action. But since Dragonball was so popular, Toriyama kept making new stories up until the Buu Arc. In a sense, he was like a fish out of water. This isn't to say that the later arcs were pieces of crap though-- given the situation of Toriyama, I'm very impressed by the results. (my inner Dragonball fan-boy is gushing up to the surface again .___.)

king omega · 12-06-2007

well dragonball may be rated Y7 but I think DBZ is TV-14 but I could be wrong.

**Vizard** · 12-06-2007

Dude watch a horror show if u want to see people cut in half. Buu saga was my favourite after cell saga. I think most of the parts you say wasn't funny, actually WAS for people who got a sense of humor. Hercule was ridiculous with his arrogance. Buu made me laugh (not necessarily the part where he says: Buu turn you into milk) but the parts after kid buu is killed. The buu saga contains two of my favourite characters: mystic gohan and gotenks. But you got your points there: Krillin,Yamcha,Roshi,18, piccolo were small part of the saga. But you said it like the Buu saga contained NOTHING worthy. I always found buu saga the funniest of the 3 sagas.

Lord Saiyan · 12-06-2007

the buu saga lacked suspense to be brutally honest....
but here the emphasis was shifted on the partnership of Goku and Vegeta.......which was highlighted.....

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-06-2007

Perhaps it was just that Toriyama-sensei was trying to harken to the earlier days of Dragonball (where the series took itself as a comedy, before Piccolo Daimao's reign and the 23rd Budokai), but overall I concur in that with the Boo Saga, we had mischaracterizations and unimposing villains, no matter the undertone. "Fusion", Goten being a carbon-copy of Goku, and another Trunks sort of also insinuated that Toriyama-sensei was reasonably running out of ideas at this point, as he conceded it was in intention for him to end the series way back when. Extending it so far is eventually going to become stultifying. I wouldn't further that notion. As for the being a kid's show, while it was aimed for preteens, the amount of violence and innuendos openly displayed hardly qualify for a "kid's show". Gero / #20 chokes a bystander until his head snaps off and is dripping with a curtain of blood (something not even shown in the anime), we see Freeza hanging as a wafting stump, what with intenstines and other visceral things shown rather openly, and there is nudity in both the beginning of Dragonball and Z.... amongst other things. But I suppose folks of that age are numb to it now adays anyway.

If you're looking for more of the story elements and their roots, then look no further than the earlier Dragonball days, even if it took itself as said comedy. The series isn't particularly deep, but does have emotion and depth, even if not stupefyingly complex. It can be enjoyed for more than who has the biggest muscles.

jeditokill · 12-06-2007

I actually started watching the show on TV when it was during the Buu arc and I thought it was awesome like the sagas before it.

G-lord · 12-07-2007

The Saiya-jin and Frieza Arcs were my personal favourites. Vegeta was just so unneccesarily evil back then (I miss that Vegeta). Plus, Goku was more..."tricky" back then (didn't rely on power to overcome his foes as much as his smarts).

But the Buu Saga did have its good points. I thought Hercule/Mr. Satan was great. He always had totally the wrong idea, and kept those ideas even after experiencing the Cell Games and the 24th Budokai.

I didn't like Babadi as much as the concept of magic he embodied. Magic was pretty big in DB, but it sort've paled into insignificance in DBZ. I liked DB/Z magic, so I was glad to see it at work again.

I agree that the Buu Saga wasn't a change for the better, but there were parts of it I really enjoyed and appreciated.

king omega · 12-08-2007

Akira was probobly like, guy's I am done with DBZ ok and if you want me too make another saga, then I will as long as you pay me but I can not guarantee that you will like it.

Then some time later he decides to use the Bibbidi Babbidi Buu thing as 3 of his characters.

And he tottaly forgot about Future Trunks, and he made Piccolo weaker then he should be.

scabab · 12-13-2007

I really liked the older Trunks, the Kid one was just too cocky.

The best part i would say is the appearence of Vegito

12-05-2007	#1 (permalink)
scabab (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 192 Rep Power: 2	Buu Arc was much more childish There was a reason why i was never fully keen on the original Dragon Ball is because characters like Roshi, Pilaf, Oolong, Chiaotzu, Yajirobe and a few others, oh and to a lower extent Bulma made the show childish and kinda kiddified.. Roshi wasnt funny he was just stupid. As was Oolong they tried to be funny but werent. Now the reason i love DBZ is because characters like Roshi, Oolong, Yajirobe and other silly characters from DB practically went off the show and it became a more serious show with people like Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, Frieza and Cell and it became a more action packed adult orientated show. But now in the Buu Arc its just gone back to being more silly and childish again. They brought in alot of new characters to make it comical again Hercule - is not in the slightest bit funny Fat Buu - is just a joke "Buu turn you into milk" is that meant to be funny? Goten and Kid Trunks - not really bad characters but made it more kiddified Babidi - was just unnecessarily stupid Old Supreme Kai - The guardian of the universe was a pervert, that was just plain wrong we already had Roshi. The fusion dance was pointless in making it try to be funny when it wasnt. The whole saiyaman thing was just completely unnecessary. The world tournament that was fun and interesting in Dragon Ball was very dissapoint in DBZ. Old Supreme Kai dancing around going "sleepy power wake up now" its like the show went from targeting more grown up audiences to little kids. But whats worse is that instead of just introducing childish characters, all the best ones are gone. Vegeta is killed off. The Trunks people actually liked was replaced by a arrogant kid when adult Trunks was never arrogant. Piccolo is barely in it and when he is, is made comical by doing the fusion dance. Another thing about the Buu Arc is that they made Buu so ridiculously powerful that most characters became useless. Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, 18 even Piccolo could do nothing so had small parts. The Frieza saga except for the Ginyu squad was very much targeted more for adults than kids, Its gone from things like Krillin being tortured Krillin dieing Frieza being cut in half To "Buu says make sure you brush your teeth" "Buu turn you into coookie" What ashame

12-06-2007	#2 (permalink)
chimney_leaf Naruto Ranked (17) Nibi Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Left, came back...again Posts: 673 Rep Power: 4	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish Do you seriously think that any of the from DBZ is aimed at adults...it's a kid's show, pure and simple But some of the points you raise are true, some of Buu's scenes are cringeworthy, but from what you are writing, you haven't watched it all...stick it out, it gets better

12-06-2007	#3 (permalink)
dino (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,607 Rep Power: 25	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish What you've got to realize is that Akira Toriyama is really more of a comedy writer. He wrote Dr. Slump before Dragonball, and other works of his have been more comedy oriented: Nekomajin Z, his "crappy manga theatre" tankoubon one shot collections, etc. His favourite fight scene in the entire series is the one where Super Buu fights Piccolo and Gotenks in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I really just think he prefers to write less serious stuff. __________________ irc.waypasteleven.net #MFG or just click here.

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king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish dude if you want to watch an adult/nonchildish anime watch death note, or bleach, or even Yu Yu Hakasho. DBZ and Naruto are mostly intended for childern. Naruto is better with emotion and such. Where as DBZ has very little other than you killed people so now I kill you. It is TV-14 too. Akira is not a serious dude from what I have seen, esp. Dragonball. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish Well, I do feel you on this one. The Buu Arc is not nearly as good as the Freeza and Cell Arcs. I guess Toriyama just didn't put his heart into creating the 3rd Main Arc. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish ^I agree with Broly completely. What happened was that as Dragonball became more action-oriented, it lost its original story elements, which became very clear by the time of "Dragonball Z." The series started trading magic and comedy for science fiction and action. But since Dragonball was so popular, Toriyama kept making new stories up until the Buu Arc. In a sense, he was like a fish out of water. This isn't to say that the later arcs were pieces of crap though-- given the situation of Toriyama, I'm very impressed by the results. (my inner Dragonball fan-boy is gushing up to the surface again .___.) __________________

12-06-2007	#8 (permalink)
king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish well dragonball may be rated Y7 but I think DBZ is TV-14 but I could be wrong. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

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Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,206 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 219	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish Dude watch a horror show if u want to see people cut in half. Buu saga was my favourite after cell saga. I think most of the parts you say wasn't funny, actually WAS for people who got a sense of humor. Hercule was ridiculous with his arrogance. Buu made me laugh (not necessarily the part where he says: Buu turn you into milk) but the parts after kid buu is killed. The buu saga contains two of my favourite characters: mystic gohan and gotenks. But you got your points there: Krillin,Yamcha,Roshi,18, piccolo were small part of the saga. But you said it like the Buu saga contained NOTHING worthy. I always found buu saga the funniest of the 3 sagas. __________________ Locke will FUCK your Shit UP!

12-06-2007	#10 (permalink)
Lord Saiyan (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: India Posts: 1,016 Rep Power: 6	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish the buu saga lacked suspense to be brutally honest.... but here the emphasis was shifted on the partnership of Goku and Vegeta.......which was highlighted..... __________________ I AM THE RULER OF ALL SAIYANS!

12-06-2007	#11 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish Perhaps it was just that Toriyama-sensei was trying to harken to the earlier days of Dragonball (where the series took itself as a comedy, before Piccolo Daimao's reign and the 23rd Budokai), but overall I concur in that with the Boo Saga, we had mischaracterizations and unimposing villains, no matter the undertone. "Fusion", Goten being a carbon-copy of Goku, and another Trunks sort of also insinuated that Toriyama-sensei was reasonably running out of ideas at this point, as he conceded it was in intention for him to end the series way back when. Extending it so far is eventually going to become stultifying. I wouldn't further that notion. As for the being a kid's show, while it was aimed for preteens, the amount of violence and innuendos openly displayed hardly qualify for a "kid's show". Gero / #20 chokes a bystander until his head snaps off and is dripping with a curtain of blood (something not even shown in the anime), we see Freeza hanging as a wafting stump, what with intenstines and other visceral things shown rather openly, and there is nudity in both the beginning of Dragonball and Z.... amongst other things. But I suppose folks of that age are numb to it now adays anyway. If you're looking for more of the story elements and their roots, then look no further than the earlier Dragonball days, even if it took itself as said comedy. The series isn't particularly deep, but does have emotion and depth, even if not stupefyingly complex. It can be enjoyed for more than who has the biggest muscles. __________________ Last edited by LegendarySSJ7; 12-08-2007 at 09:26 PM.

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jeditokill (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Everywhere! Posts: 179 Rep Power: 2	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish I actually started watching the show on TV when it was during the Buu arc and I thought it was awesome like the sagas before it. __________________ "By my hands, you will be cut down inch by inch. The way you have cut down my PRIDE!!!" -Majin Vegeta

12-07-2007	#13 (permalink)
G-lord (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 392 Rep Power: 5	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish The Saiya-jin and Frieza Arcs were my personal favourites. Vegeta was just so unneccesarily evil back then (I miss that Vegeta). Plus, Goku was more..."tricky" back then (didn't rely on power to overcome his foes as much as his smarts). But the Buu Saga did have its good points. I thought Hercule/Mr. Satan was great. He always had totally the wrong idea, and kept those ideas even after experiencing the Cell Games and the 24th Budokai. I didn't like Babadi as much as the concept of magic he embodied. Magic was pretty big in DB, but it sort've paled into insignificance in DBZ. I liked DB/Z magic, so I was glad to see it at work again. I agree that the Buu Saga wasn't a change for the better, but there were parts of it I really enjoyed and appreciated. __________________ "Hail to the King, baby!"

12-08-2007	#14 (permalink)
king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish Akira was probobly like, guy's I am done with DBZ ok and if you want me too make another saga, then I will as long as you pay me but I can not guarantee that you will like it. Then some time later he decides to use the Bibbidi Babbidi Buu thing as 3 of his characters. And he tottaly forgot about Future Trunks, and he made Piccolo weaker then he should be. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

12-13-2007	#15 (permalink)
scabab (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 192 Rep Power: 2	Re: Buu Arc was much more childish I really liked the older Trunks, the Kid one was just too cocky. The best part i would say is the appearence of Vegito