Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? - Page 2

SaiyajinPerfection · 12-02-2007

The Kamehameha is one of the few attacks out of the hundreds of attacks in Dragon Ball where the name of the attack is actually said. For example, there are tons of attacks in Dragon Ball that don't have verberated names, like Freeza's Death Ball and Majin Buu's "fat pull entraping" technique, Even Goku's Shunkan Ido ("Instant Transmission").

But of course shouting the name isn't nessicary, Goten says Kame-kame-ha and it still results in the same attack. Buu also doesn't need to say it in order to perform it correctly. From and in-universe perpspective, it's probably easier, because it then reminds the user what attack they want to use instead of it just coming out as a random stream of ki. From an out-of-universe perspective, it's probably just to show the viewer or reader what attack the character is about to use. Most of the manga is in black and white anyway, it's hard to tell what attack they're using sometimes.

And their are several canon variations of the Kamehameha anyway, and usually the same name is shouted. For example, Goku doesn't say "Shunkan Ido Kamehameha", it's just Kamehama. I can't even remember if he used the name during the time that he shot a kamehameha from his feet and lunged at Piccolo in Dragon Ball.

Even in DBZ, Goku uses a variation only seen once. During his battle with Freeza, Goku is underwater and mentally says "Kamehameha", creating two stationary masses of ki; which he then launches at Freeza moments later to distract him. He didn't actually verberate "Kamehameha" since he was underwater (DB: vol 26/DBZ 10, p. 124)

**Vizard** · 12-03-2007

No, I dont think it's necessary. I remember Goku sometime in buu saga doing it without saying it.

G-lord · 12-07-2007

NO. It is not neccessary to shout Kamehameha. In Animes, a lot of characters scream out their attacks. Hunter X Hunter actually gave an explanation as to why.

When Gon (from HxH) performs his "Jajaken" technique, he shouts out "First is...ROCK!" One of the other characters (Killua) says that it is stupid, because it telegraphs to his opponent that he is preparing an attack. Their trainer, Biske, said it was neccessary, as it helps him "get into it", which boosts his power.

In Japanese and other oriental martial arts, the "Kiai" is also another noise which is not neccessary, but helps increase the effectiveness of an attack.

I believe that Goku shouting out his attack helps make it more powerful. Just a thought.

Minigt · 12-12-2007

While its not necessary, I think it helps to focus Ki prior to letting loose.

Adi · 12-17-2007

This is very true. Hrm, it's all a tad weird.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-17-2007

It isn't, but general exultations and vocalizations that reflect leaps in wielded power are still prevalent and ubiquitous (even if not on every occasion, such as with SS Goku and Freeza's beam struggle, where he was driving in his strength as a catalyst for retribution, where the accentuation in the SS transformation was more effort and less transformation and the such). It is, after all, a martial arts series, so it emanating from that background works as such.

No, though, decrying the technique isn't necessitated.

Adi · 12-19-2007

... in english? LOL jokes. So your saying that when they make it vocal, it helps to make the physical part of the move better?

Lord Saiyan · 12-19-2007

its actually not necessary.......the scream might just give the user of the kamehameha wave a boost to harness his inner power...dig out his strength by delving into the inner recesses of the mind.....

also the viewers get to know about the name of the technique used....from the point of view of the makers of DBZ the loyal fans should know about one of the most destructive signature attack of the Z warriors Goku, Gohan and Krillin

**LegendarySSJ7** · 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by Adi

... in english? LOL jokes. So your saying that when they make it vocal, it helps to make the physical part of the move better?

Jokes aside, I'm just saying that vocalizing an attack isn't necessary but may reflect a full extent of a leap in power or something to that effect. The FUNimation dub tends to cause the viewer to think such, the same way the Anime could cause the viewer to feel elements overextended to the point of being askew and inane - transformations seeming more like eye candy and special effects come to mind, as does overcomplexion and messes of Gi's and appearances (rather than the rudimentary and terse quality found in the Manga) also comes to mind. It's the same with the aforementioned additions of vocalizations of the average attack (that feel more like unnecessitated assaults with the additions in question) that may pander the viewers with fanservice and what have you. It's less commanding to further the notion in my view, but to answer this thread, again.... no, it isn't.

Xyex · 12-20-2007

I remember reading an interview with Toriyama that I belive came out in an issue of JUMP. I think it was part of one of the question and answer segments, actually. Anyway, someone had asked about this, and about the colors of the attacks. He basicly explained that both elements were his wife's idea. She'd told him the readers would enjoy it more if the attack was called, it'd give it more 'force' or something. And the color was added (or in the case of the manga, the very outline of the attack) so as to give the reader/viewer something to see. Ki attacks were originally just going to be invisible, ala the idea of real-world Ki moves.

Adi · 12-23-2007

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Originally Posted by Xyex

I remember reading an interview with Toriyama that I belive came out in an issue of JUMP. I think it was part of one of the question and answer segments, actually. Anyway, someone had asked about this, and about the colors of the attacks. He basicly explained that both elements were his wife's idea. She'd told him the readers would enjoy it more if the attack was called, it'd give it more 'force' or something. And the color was added (or in the case of the manga, the very outline of the attack) so as to give the reader/viewer something to see. Ki attacks were originally just going to be invisible, ala the idea of real-world Ki moves.

Well that just proves that it isn't necessary! ;P

12-02-2007	#16 (permalink)
SaiyajinPerfection (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Not where you are Posts: 1,453 Blog Entries: 10 Rep Power: 22	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? The Kamehameha is one of the few attacks out of the hundreds of attacks in Dragon Ball where the name of the attack is actually said. For example, there are tons of attacks in Dragon Ball that don't have verberated names, like Freeza's Death Ball and Majin Buu's "fat pull entraping" technique, Even Goku's Shunkan Ido ("Instant Transmission"). But of course shouting the name isn't nessicary, Goten says Kame-kame-ha and it still results in the same attack. Buu also doesn't need to say it in order to perform it correctly. From and in-universe perpspective, it's probably easier, because it then reminds the user what attack they want to use instead of it just coming out as a random stream of ki. From an out-of-universe perspective, it's probably just to show the viewer or reader what attack the character is about to use. Most of the manga is in black and white anyway, it's hard to tell what attack they're using sometimes. And their are several canon variations of the Kamehameha anyway, and usually the same name is shouted. For example, Goku doesn't say "Shunkan Ido Kamehameha", it's just Kamehama. I can't even remember if he used the name during the time that he shot a kamehameha from his feet and lunged at Piccolo in Dragon Ball. Even in DBZ, Goku uses a variation only seen once. During his battle with Freeza, Goku is underwater and mentally says "Kamehameha", creating two stationary masses of ki; which he then launches at Freeza moments later to distract him. He didn't actually verberate "Kamehameha" since he was underwater (DB: vol 26/DBZ 10, p. 124) __________________ Formerly the member demonkingpiccolo "Let's put a SMILE on that face!" REP OWED: Madness, Madness, Madness, Madness, Frieza the Tyrant, Madness, Madness, SSJBulma, Madness, Madness, Madness, The Green Dragon, Madness....and...oh wait, did I mention Madness? Last edited by SaiyajinPerfection; 12-02-2007 at 11:58 AM.

12-03-2007	#17 (permalink)
Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,206 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 219	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? No, I dont think it's necessary. I remember Goku sometime in buu saga doing it without saying it. __________________ Locke will FUCK your Shit UP!

12-07-2007	#18 (permalink)
G-lord (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 392 Rep Power: 5	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? NO. It is not neccessary to shout Kamehameha. In Animes, a lot of characters scream out their attacks. Hunter X Hunter actually gave an explanation as to why. When Gon (from HxH) performs his "Jajaken" technique, he shouts out "First is...ROCK!" One of the other characters (Killua) says that it is stupid, because it telegraphs to his opponent that he is preparing an attack. Their trainer, Biske, said it was neccessary, as it helps him "get into it", which boosts his power. In Japanese and other oriental martial arts, the "Kiai" is also another noise which is not neccessary, but helps increase the effectiveness of an attack. I believe that Goku shouting out his attack helps make it more powerful. Just a thought. __________________ "Hail to the King, baby!"

12-12-2007	#19 (permalink)
Minigt (1) Earthling Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? While its not necessary, I think it helps to focus Ki prior to letting loose.

12-17-2007	#20 (permalink)
Adi (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 444 Rep Power: 12	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? This is very true. Hrm, it's all a tad weird. __________________ Kudos to Vizard.

12-17-2007	#21 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? It isn't, but general exultations and vocalizations that reflect leaps in wielded power are still prevalent and ubiquitous (even if not on every occasion, such as with SS Goku and Freeza's beam struggle, where he was driving in his strength as a catalyst for retribution, where the accentuation in the SS transformation was more effort and less transformation and the such). It is, after all, a martial arts series, so it emanating from that background works as such. No, though, decrying the technique isn't necessitated. __________________

12-19-2007	#22 (permalink)
Adi (15) Super Namekian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 444 Rep Power: 12	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? ... in english? LOL jokes. So your saying that when they make it vocal, it helps to make the physical part of the move better? __________________ Kudos to Vizard.

12-19-2007	#23 (permalink)
Lord Saiyan (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: India Posts: 1,016 Rep Power: 6	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? its actually not necessary.......the scream might just give the user of the kamehameha wave a boost to harness his inner power...dig out his strength by delving into the inner recesses of the mind..... also the viewers get to know about the name of the technique used....from the point of view of the makers of DBZ the loyal fans should know about one of the most destructive signature attack of the Z warriors Goku, Gohan and Krillin __________________ I AM THE RULER OF ALL SAIYANS!

12-20-2007	#25 (permalink)
Xyex (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 752 Rep Power: 8	Re: Is shouting "Ka-Me-Ha-Me-Ha" even necessary? I remember reading an interview with Toriyama that I belive came out in an issue of JUMP. I think it was part of one of the question and answer segments, actually. Anyway, someone had asked about this, and about the colors of the attacks. He basicly explained that both elements were his wife's idea. She'd told him the readers would enjoy it more if the attack was called, it'd give it more 'force' or something. And the color was added (or in the case of the manga, the very outline of the attack) so as to give the reader/viewer something to see. Ki attacks were originally just going to be invisible, ala the idea of real-world Ki moves. __________________ AH Saga 6: Read Altered History: Saga I Saga II Saga III Saga IV Saga V