jeditokill

During the Buu saga, there have been hints that Vegeta reached SSJ2 during the 7-year time skip. When he became a Majin, he should've been in his SSJ2 form with a bit more power since being a Majin increases your power. But here's my question. When he became a Majin, why didn't his aura have any electric currents in it? It wasn't until right before he fought Goku that he powered up and we could immediately tell he was a SSJ2, and at this time Goku seemed to notice his power and said that the fight would take longer than he thought. So why didn't Vegeta have electric currents in his aura when he should've in the first place?

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warcrack

Upon his possession, Vegeta didn't become a ssj2; he was just a regular mssj. He only powered-up to ssj2 for the fight with Goku.

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Darkprince410

The Ma-jin Seal doesn't increase your power and then force you into that powered up state immediately. It just more or less allows you access to levels of power that you aren't able to achieve on your own.

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SaiyajinPerfection

Even though he doesn't directly state it, I also believe that Vegeta reached Super Saiyan 2 during the seven year gap. Super Saiyan 2 doesn't become available to a powerful Super Saiyan who simply revs their ki, it comes from learning to rev it effectively. This is why Goten and Trunks weren't able to do reach it even though they also appear (however, are not confirmed) to be mastered Super Saiyans; their lack of skill and battle experience was why they couldn't ascend, and all the Super Saiyans with considerable battle experience and training could.

If a Saiyan was to simply rev their ki uncontrollably, it would result in SSj 3rd Grade, and not the more powerful and more effective SSj2. Trunks strongly implies this when he sees Gohan transform into a SSj2. I will now explain why Super Saiyan 3rd grade is actually closely related to the Super Saiyan 2:
With mastered Super Saiyan, it is not an alternate transformation of the Super Saiyan, it is the same thing.... but it has been trained to a point where there are no flaws, like excess ki consumption from maintaining the transformation itself and the hyped emotions. Therefore while Super Saiyan 3rd grade actually produces more ki then Mastered, Mastered is better to use and appears stronger because a high percentage of ki produced by the SSj 3rd grd goes to maintaining the transformation itself.

As for your original question about Majin Vegeta and why he didn't have bolts in his aura until he powered up against Goku, because he was only mastered Super Saiyan at that time. He hadn't transformed into Super Saiyan 2. This actually also supports my logic that SSj2 requires a conscious control in revving the ki, because the Majin possession is said to maximize your ki. If a maximum ki boost is said to also transform a Super Saiyan into Super Saiyan 2, then Vegeta would've been Super Saiyan 2 upon his posession, and not when he decided to transform against Goku.

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jeditokill

Okay, I understand that now. But, if the Majin seal allowed Vegeta to more of the inner depths of his power, why did the spell turn him into the first SSJ level when it was over? Babidi possessed him when he was in his normal state, so shouldn't Vegeta still be in his normal state, even though he would be more bulked up? Why, out of all the forms, did Vegeta end up in the first SSJ level when the spell had ended?

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LegendarySSJ7

Anyone who causes Piccolo to register shock at Goten and Trunks revving up to "full power" as Super Saiyan certainly isn't one who isn't mastered. The boys may have been naive and not had a fierce rivarly, but Goten and Trunks did what Vegeta lauded any Saiyan for - intense training without hindrance in order to overcome one's rival. Different monsters of rivalries lead to the resulting differences. But that aside, they were indeed Mastered Super Saiyans. Maybe not Super Saiyan 2 due to lack of the required battle power, experience, and training, but definitively Mastered Super Saiyans, even if their potential was limited in comparison to, say, Gohan's (who consciously augmented his power in each battle).

The glancing flaw of this argument is that SS Type 3 does NOT produce more chi than a MSS would. Mirai Trunks morbidly pushed himself too far without peering into the possibility that the threshold of the multiplier can be tapped into more effectually when one bridges the gap between the auraless state, removing the visible effects of such power and converting the effort used in transforming into more power that can be sagaciously used in accessions. Vegeta would have certainly done the same for bragging rights, but doesn't even do this during his 2nd run in the RoSaT.

Cell sees the same thing instantly - prolonging his fight with Mirai Trunks just to analytically point out the flaw in question, in Trunks' thinking, and demonstrate to him on the fly where he went horridly wrong, with quite a bit of thunder and brimstone (then again, we see Cell adapt SS auras rather easily, from his initially cowardly 1st state, where he showed no interest in fighting after Piccolo lambasted him around, to the SS2 aura Gohan allowed him to develop, all reflecting the levels of power achieved). Either way, the SS2 state is less a form and more an uncorking of Saiyan capacity.

That aside, it was of Possessed Vegeta's own volition to not go SS2 until his fight with Goku. I'm of the train of thought that he was just conserving his chi for the fight.

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SaiyajinPerfection

But physically, SSj and Mssj are the same thing, while Type 3 is a further transformation from "both".The whole purpose of further transforming in DBZ (with the exception of Freeza's first three forms in reverse: 3,2,1) is to give yourself the ability produce more chi, even though much of that chi may have to contribute to maintaining the transformation itself; therefore a good portion of the ki you produce in the Type 3 can't be used against your opponent like Mssj would be able to. But also Goku and Trunks are two different people, therefore it's a considerable possibility that both of them in their mastered stages are at different levels, which would also explain the difference in Goku's FPSSj (MSSj) and Trunks's Type 3 (And I highly doubt that they were at the same level when comparing Goku against Cell and Trunks against Cell at the end of the series).
I agree with your above statement.

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BurningVegeta

I was so sure that Vegeta hadn't even acheive the Super Saiyan 2 transformation due to his lack of power,(haven't read any off the manga for the Buu Arc).
I truly believe that Vegeta was pushed into the transformation due to the Majin Seal's power increase. This also made to perfect sense to me as Gohan turned Super Saiyan 2, realesed thanks to the death of Android 16: Crossing an Emotional Limit.

When Vegeta became under Babidi's mind control his heart became more evil surpassing his own emotional limitations thus making him transform in a Super Saiyan 2.

Goku's cause of transformation is unknown but as he saw Gohan's transformation i think Gohan would have to transformed the same way. This is just my thoery but it works in sync with how to transform into a SSj2 (Vegeta + Gohan = Surpassing Emotional Limitations).

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Vizard

I truly believe Vegeta was SSJ2 in his Majin form.First vegeta might have not been able to go ssj2 but Babidi powered him up much more after he became majin so that made him ssj2. look at those lightnings around his body

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king omega

When Vegeta recieved the Majin Seal he was able to go SSJ2, before he had the strength too, but not really the emotion's/anger.

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LegendaryBroli

I believe vegeta was a ssj2 before he became a Majin Saiyan. The seal only increases the amount of energy one posseses. So its likely the seal only increased his power

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sayains myth

yeah, these were my exact thoughts. its never really known whether or not he can go ss2 before the majin seal was set in place. one can only speculate. however, i could be thinking about the anime and not the manga, but, i think vegeta went ssj2 briefly while fighting kid buu whill goku was powering up the spirit bomb. I recall seeing lightning around his arua.

but like i said, i'll need to look at the manga again to be sure,

Madness

I'm of the camp that Vegeta could go SSJ2 before his Majin powerup. And I think I have a different view on how to become an SSJ2 than most of you. I don't see it as a matter of emotion, like SSJ was, but rather how you rev that power. Simply trying to raise your power will result in SSJ type 2 or 3.

BurningVegeta

But in order to 'rev' up that power wouldn't you still have to drive it with an emotion like Gohan did. I don't see why they would change that, the Majin Seal would provide Vegeta with an emotional force to rev up his power level. A perfect example is Gohan when he gets sad his energy increase, i only belive this happens because his a Saiyan. But then again this is just another of burningvegeta's theories.

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