I need some clarity

VishaltotheG · 10-30-2007

Why do people have arguements over who is stronger, SSJ3 Goku or Mystic Gohan? Is it not true that Gohan owned Super Buu, While SSJ3 Goku struggled against Kid Buu, who was weaker than Super Buu? I don't understand where these come from.

Also, this goes the same for arguements about SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku as well.

**Zer0** · 10-30-2007

Some people have never read the manga, being stuck with filler that says Chibi Buu is the strongest Buu and some people have only read fanslated manga saying Chibi Buu is the strongest Buu leading to all of those match-ups.

Kei · 10-30-2007

Or, the DBZ versions of Niku just love to argue.

king omega · 10-30-2007

People just dont have their facts straight since they think Chibi Buu is stronger then Super Buu, be hes not.

Since SSJ3 fought Chibi Buu and put up a good fight, they think that since Gohan fought Super Buu and that as a good fight that there for SSJ3 is stronger then Super Buu but that is not right.

Broly · 10-30-2007

Seriously, if SSj3 Goku was stronger than Shin Buu, he wouldn't have been scared of stepping out in the open from Buu's body to fight Shin Buu.

VishaltotheG · 10-30-2007

I was just thinking, aren't dead SSJ3 Goku and alive SSJ3 Goku different in PLs? Doesn't Goku use up less energy when dead?

**Zer0** · 10-30-2007

Yeah thats the whole reason why he wasn't able to kill Chibi Buu.

Broly · 10-30-2007

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Originally Posted by VishaltotheG

I was just thinking, aren't dead SSJ3 Goku and alive SSJ3 Goku different in PLs? Doesn't Goku use up less energy when dead?

Well, it's not that they're different PLs, it's just that while dead, the SSj3 state's ki drain is gone, allowing him more power to use. Kinda like MSSj in a sense.

fktizle · 10-31-2007

Now I don't read the manga, but according to the show, SSJ3 Goku is stronger, or at least as strong as Mystic Gohan. Remember, when Gotenks Buu lost the fusion, Goku didn't want to fuse because he could've stopped him without it. Piccolo Buu is stronger than Super Buu, not by much, but enough to make a difference. Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Guys, it took SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Mr. Boo, and a full powered spirit bomb with help from a full powered Goku, Kid Buu is a strong little dude.

Broly · 10-31-2007

It's not true that SSj3 Goku is > Shin Buu. That scene with Goku fighting Shin Buu is filler, and does not exist in the manga, which is the truest most purest source of DBZ. Filler scenes are added in there for straight entertainment, that's all. Some of the filler scenes in DBZ even have some plotholes. Another reason why SSj3 Goku is weaker than Shin Buu is because of his statement while in Buu's body saying both he and Vegeta would get killed if they stepped outside to fight Buu. The reason why he was scared was not only because he was weaker, [obviously, if he made the statement], but also because he wasn't sure if Gohan or the others would wake up or not. [and he was right in his assumption]

**Darkprince410** · 10-31-2007

Well, unfortunately the show is wrong. In the manga, when Shin Gotenkusu Buu's fusion wore off and he regressed to Shin Pikkoro Buu, Gokuu opted to not perform the fusion anymore because Gohan was more than a match for Buu (he never once put himself into the picture as being a potential opponent for Shin Buu to fight). Likewise, as opposed to what was shown in the anime, in the manga Gokuu and Shin Gotenkusu Buu never trade punches, as we see Buu charge at Gokuu (who goes Ssj3 in preparation to defend himself), but before Buu could actually land a hit, the fusion wears off. Later, when Gokuu and Bejiita are inside of Shin Buu (no absorptions), Gokuu makes the comment that even with Bejiita's help, there's no way that they could win against Buu, and that he'd kill him easily. Then later he and Bejiita are both confident in the fact that if Gokuu were to go Full Power Ssj3, that he'd be able to destroy Chibi Buu in an instant (he was unable to though because up till that point, he wasn't going all out against Chibi Buu, and by the time he realized that's what he needed to do in order to win, he had drained too much of his ki to reach FpSsj3)

Shin Buu (no absorptions) >>> Ssj Gotenkusu (Post RoSaT) >>> Ssj Gotenkusu (Pre- RoSaT) >> Ssj3 Gokuu (Full Power) >> Chibi Buu = Ssj3 Gokuu

Shaka of virgo · 10-31-2007

Kid buu is weaker, but he don´t feel pain, never tired, he is more crazy, is probably that in a fight Kid Buu vs Super Buu, Kid Buu could beat him, as he show beating the Fat Buu easy, and almost reject the Genkidama, Kid Buu strenght is his eternal stamina. the other Buu´s have the caracteristics of the people that he absorbe, meaning can feel tired, feel pain, get desperate, get anger, the kid Buu allways the same.

Broly · 11-01-2007

Kid Buu's stamina is pretty good, but there comes a point in battle power where his stamina would be broken. And that would be Full Power SSj3 Goku.

**Darkprince410** · 11-01-2007

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Originally Posted by Shaka of virgo

Kid buu is weaker, but he don´t feel pain, never tired, he is more crazy, is probably that in a fight Kid Buu vs Super Buu, Kid Buu could beat him, as he show beating the Fat Buu easy, and almost reject the Genkidama, Kid Buu strenght is his eternal stamina. the other Buu´s have the caracteristics of the people that he absorbe, meaning can feel tired, feel pain, get desperate, get anger, the kid Buu allways the same.

Chibi Buu has a great deal of stamina, but look at it this way, he's the only form of Buu that actually fought someone of equal strength as he was, so clearly stamina is going to mean a lot for a fight like this. All the other forms of Buu (the Shin Buus especially), never fought someone on equal footing to themselves, ranging from an enemy just somewhat stronger than they were to an enemy that vastly outclasses them in every aspect. In fights like those, stamina is going to play a far smaller factor, as the sheer strength of the adversary is going to tear through it like tissue paper, which is exactly what would have happened had Chibi Buu faced anyone stronger than he was. Any form of Shin Buu would have mercilessly throttled him with ease, beating the ki out of him till he could no longer regenerate.

Shaka of virgo · 11-01-2007

your coment will make sense if Goku, Vegeta and the Fat Buu Blast never affect the Kid Buu, but he was pulverize by all of them, and he wont loose any of his stamina, the superbuu feelt tired fighting with Gotenks, And the Buu-gohan is diferent, Vegerot was so far Superior, The Kid Buu show more Stamina than the fat and the Super Buu, even if Super Buu is stronger, Kid Buu will beat him, ok my opinion.

10-30-2007	#1 (permalink)
VishaltotheG (6) Disciple of Kami Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Your mom's house Posts: 46 Rep Power: 0	I need some clarity Why do people have arguements over who is stronger, SSJ3 Goku or Mystic Gohan? Is it not true that Gohan owned Super Buu, While SSJ3 Goku struggled against Kid Buu, who was weaker than Super Buu? I don't understand where these come from. Also, this goes the same for arguements about SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ3 Goku as well. __________________ When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you!

10-30-2007	#2 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,176 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 144	Re: I need some clarity Some people have never read the manga, being stuck with filler that says Chibi Buu is the strongest Buu and some people have only read fanslated manga saying Chibi Buu is the strongest Buu leading to all of those match-ups. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

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Kei Naruto Ranked (29) Kyuubi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In God's Transportation. Posts: 8,776 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 140	Re: I need some clarity Or, the DBZ versions of Niku just love to argue. __________________

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king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: I need some clarity People just dont have their facts straight since they think Chibi Buu is stronger then Super Buu, be hes not. Since SSJ3 fought Chibi Buu and put up a good fight, they think that since Gohan fought Super Buu and that as a good fight that there for SSJ3 is stronger then Super Buu but that is not right. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: I need some clarity Seriously, if SSj3 Goku was stronger than Shin Buu, he wouldn't have been scared of stepping out in the open from Buu's body to fight Shin Buu. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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VishaltotheG (6) Disciple of Kami Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Your mom's house Posts: 46 Rep Power: 0	Re: I need some clarity I was just thinking, aren't dead SSJ3 Goku and alive SSJ3 Goku different in PLs? Doesn't Goku use up less energy when dead? __________________ When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you!

10-30-2007	#7 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,176 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 144	Re: I need some clarity Yeah thats the whole reason why he wasn't able to kill Chibi Buu. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

10-31-2007	#9 (permalink)
fktizle (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 2	Re: I need some clarity Now I don't read the manga, but according to the show, SSJ3 Goku is stronger, or at least as strong as Mystic Gohan. Remember, when Gotenks Buu lost the fusion, Goku didn't want to fuse because he could've stopped him without it. Piccolo Buu is stronger than Super Buu, not by much, but enough to make a difference. Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Guys, it took SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, Mr. Boo, and a full powered spirit bomb with help from a full powered Goku, Kid Buu is a strong little dude.

10-31-2007	#10 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: I need some clarity It's not true that SSj3 Goku is > Shin Buu. That scene with Goku fighting Shin Buu is filler, and does not exist in the manga, which is the truest most purest source of DBZ. Filler scenes are added in there for straight entertainment, that's all. Some of the filler scenes in DBZ even have some plotholes. Another reason why SSj3 Goku is weaker than Shin Buu is because of his statement while in Buu's body saying both he and Vegeta would get killed if they stepped outside to fight Buu. The reason why he was scared was not only because he was weaker, [obviously, if he made the statement], but also because he wasn't sure if Gohan or the others would wake up or not. [and he was right in his assumption] __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Darkprince410 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,998 Rep Power: 52	Re: I need some clarity Well, unfortunately the show is wrong. In the manga, when Shin Gotenkusu Buu's fusion wore off and he regressed to Shin Pikkoro Buu, Gokuu opted to not perform the fusion anymore because Gohan was more than a match for Buu (he never once put himself into the picture as being a potential opponent for Shin Buu to fight). Likewise, as opposed to what was shown in the anime, in the manga Gokuu and Shin Gotenkusu Buu never trade punches, as we see Buu charge at Gokuu (who goes Ssj3 in preparation to defend himself), but before Buu could actually land a hit, the fusion wears off. Later, when Gokuu and Bejiita are inside of Shin Buu (no absorptions), Gokuu makes the comment that even with Bejiita's help, there's no way that they could win against Buu, and that he'd kill him easily. Then later he and Bejiita are both confident in the fact that if Gokuu were to go Full Power Ssj3, that he'd be able to destroy Chibi Buu in an instant (he was unable to though because up till that point, he wasn't going all out against Chibi Buu, and by the time he realized that's what he needed to do in order to win, he had drained too much of his ki to reach FpSsj3) Shin Buu (no absorptions) >>> Ssj Gotenkusu (Post RoSaT) >>> Ssj Gotenkusu (Pre- RoSaT) >> Ssj3 Gokuu (Full Power) >> Chibi Buu = Ssj3 Gokuu __________________

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Shaka of virgo (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 369 Rep Power: 3	Re: I need some clarity Kid buu is weaker, but he don´t feel pain, never tired, he is more crazy, is probably that in a fight Kid Buu vs Super Buu, Kid Buu could beat him, as he show beating the Fat Buu easy, and almost reject the Genkidama, Kid Buu strenght is his eternal stamina. the other Buu´s have the caracteristics of the people that he absorbe, meaning can feel tired, feel pain, get desperate, get anger, the kid Buu allways the same. __________________ Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.

11-01-2007	#13 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: I need some clarity Kid Buu's stamina is pretty good, but there comes a point in battle power where his stamina would be broken. And that would be Full Power SSj3 Goku. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$

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Shaka of virgo (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 369 Rep Power: 3	Re: I need some clarity your coment will make sense if Goku, Vegeta and the Fat Buu Blast never affect the Kid Buu, but he was pulverize by all of them, and he wont loose any of his stamina, the superbuu feelt tired fighting with Gotenks, And the Buu-gohan is diferent, Vegerot was so far Superior, The Kid Buu show more Stamina than the fat and the Super Buu, even if Super Buu is stronger, Kid Buu will beat him, ok my opinion. __________________ Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.