Zer0

According to Dr. Gero how strong would you say he thought the Zet Senshi were?

Points that should be factored into his estimation.

1. Did he know about training with the Kita no Kaio?

2. How far did he think Gokuu would go with the Kaio-Ken?

3. Did he know about Gokuu's method of transport to Namek?

4. Did he factor in zenkais?

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Tuna2

Not that strong, obviously a great deal weaker than he was. I'm guessing he thought Goku to be around Frieza's final form(50%) at most. He probably estimated all the alterations in power made on Namek aside from Goku and Vegeta's SSJ powers and Piccolo's fusing with Nail.

1. Yes

2. probably x20 with the three years after Namek included

3. It's possible, although his bot didn't follow Goku to Namek so I don't see why it would matter

4. He probably knew about them from previous studies so I'll say yes.

Zer0

If Gero knew Gokuu was going to be training under the increased gravity he could know that he'd be at 90,000. If not it would be lower than that at Gokuu's time of arrival at Namek.

Also he wouldn't have factored in the 33-fold increase that the 90,000 PL Gokuu got.

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ANB

First the over-a-million thread, now this...? You little instigator.



1) Did he know Goku went to the after-life, ran across a bridge over hell, and met a Martial-Artist God??? I have no idea, but Cell knew about the Dragonballs. Despite being a narcissistic scientist, I'm pretty sure Gero accepted some level of magic/spirituality. What Gero knew, for a fact, was that Goku could make vast improvements after Death. Increase in power: at lest 18-fold*

2) The fly-scout was so hidden that even the brilliant Piccolo was unaware. It "scrapped the cells as it studied you all," was stated by Cell/Seru in volume #15. Anyone watching the fight would know Kaio-Ken put a big strain. Goku said it a million times, and his body reacted negatively. There was also the heavy breathing, and Goku screaming: "Hang-on as long as you can, body...!" for Kaio=Ken 3-fold.**

-Gero did not give up on the Cell project until the three year-gap

-Gero makes it clear he himself saw no need to follow Goku to Namek

-He knew that Kaio-Ken x4 was really pushing it. But Gero knew Goku, he says: "There was no need [to follow you to Namek]. We had already looked at even the most incredible increases,". Goku, Tenshinhan, and Kaio-Sama predicted a mastery of the Kaio-ken up to 10x. Gero is a paranoid scientist and ruthless to the core. He must have taken that as a possibility after 3 years.

-As a result, Yamcha cannot possibly have been less than 100,000. Goku was V 32,000 (Daizenshuu) with 4-fold. With ten-fold, he'd be 80,000. To be safe, Gero would have predicted, perhaps, 15x. This puts a maximum estimate of 120,000***.

3) He said "There was no need" in response. Nuff said****.

4) Maybe, maybe not. Goku was in the hospital for more than 5 days (How long the others were on Namek). The senzu increased his power, but how much is a debate. Regardless, Gero was surveilling the entire time.



*-Simply divide 8,100 (full-power) by 440 (v. Radditz)

**-Vol. 4, A plethora of evidence...

***-I still believe--know, that Yamcha and the other humans were over a million. Not only were the heros very likely suppressing their chi, Yamcha being only 120 thousand after half-a year at Kaio-Samas and three years of solo training is absurd. Not to mention the Ki-ko-ho being even stronger than Genki-Dama (A thousand times...just think about that).

****-I believe it was Vol. 13. I have the panel in my memory as I type.

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Zer0

Not to be to demanding but I kind of wanted sample PL lists of how strong he thought they were.

For example

Gokuu: 400,000 to 600,000

Gokuu (Kaio-Ken x10): 4,000,000 to 6,000,000

Pikkoro: 200,000

Something like that.

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ANB

*EDITED*



Goku (zenkai): 22,761*

-Kaio-Ken x10: 227,610

-x15: 341,415

-Increase on Namek: 102,126-204,829**

-Possible after 3 years: 650,000



*-Divided 33x by 3, because 2 would have Goku's increase (on Namek, not even 3 years) at 133,650 (base...!). In addition, Goku would have been several-fold bigger than his actual increase (1.5). Lastly, I don't think Goku's zenkai could have been that dramatic, when the next one is only 1/3x bigger (not to mention inconsistencies with Vegeta's zenkais, which were just as gorey and brutal).

As a side-note, Yamcha being 120,000 (apparently suppressed) and mistaken for Goku's (base) makes perfect sense. And in case someone missed, the basis for this is Goku max-power w/o kaio-ken.

**-Gero is practical; he may have figured even Goku's body wouldn't carry on forever. So I divided his Saiyajin/Vegeta battle increase by two (for the second), then by two again (for the first).



I'll do the other characters if you want ;)

^*EDITED*

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Zer0

Yes plz.

But could you round them this time. They look "funny" when you don't. >_>

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ANB

Vegeta: 240,000 (twice as big as Goku)-paranoid increse <1,000,000

Piccolo: 105,000*-P.I 400,000

Tenshinhan: 85,000-P.I 225,000

Gohan: 60,000** P.I 180,000

Kuririn: 50,000-P.I 100,000

Yamcha: 35,000-P.I 75,000



*-He was "added to the line" as stated by Cell in his bioligical narrative. He would have been predicted to make a vast improvement, but less so than Goku.

**-I am under the impression Gohan was never greater than his mentor in the Saiyain battle. The rage-increase to 2,800 was his masenko. And Nappa being excited about the power derived from two occurences: Vegeta putting the scouter back on, and him wanting "a real fight". Nappa's hand merely stung from Gohan's charged blast, and Piccolo's attack burnt his back permanently. Also, Nappa considered Piccolo the strongest on twice: "Not even this planet's best can make it past the first blow," and "Those idiots! Making us kill them in the wrong order...".

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Shaka of virgo

Dr Gero didn´t know of Supersaiyans, he at the moment analize Goku and the rest in the second tournament, third tournament, the battle with Raditz, and Nappa and Vegeta agaist the z, by then he must realice that Goku can increase hugely, and his androids were made to beat any chance for Goku to surpass them, Gero must have reach his goal if Goku never when to Namek, but base in Goku strenght against Vegeta, Gero made the androids 1000 times stronger than his calculations.

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