Super Buuhan....overrated? - Page 4

ssorcd · 10-31-2007

He dosen't really do anything besides talk trash.

**Majuub** · 10-31-2007

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Unfortunately there's quite a bit wrong with this, all stemming from the fact that you're going off the anime rather than the manga.

1) The line Gokuu said to Shin Gotenkusu Buu was that there isn't any need for him and Gohan to fuse anymore because Gohan would be more than a match for him, and basically excluded himself from the fight from that point on. He still knew he had no chance of beating Shin Buu, but did know that Gohan did.

2) Shin Gohan Buu fighting Gokuu and Bejiita is filler. In the manga, Gokuu used the Shunkan Idou to get to Bejiita, and just before Buu manages to get to them, Bejiita submits to fusing with Gokuu, and they form Bejitto.

3) When inside of Shin Buu (no absorptions), Gokuu makes it quite clear that even with Bejiita helping him, they'd still get killed once they left Buu's body, and tries repeatedly to convince him to fuse again. As such, it's painfully clear that Shin Buu (no absorptions) is stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu.

4) Before Bejiita steps in to buy Gokuu time to recharge his ki, they both agree that if Gokuu were to go in at full power, he'd be able to destroy Chibi Buu in an instant. The only reason he didn't was because he started out the fight just fighting Buu on his terms and letting it drag out, rather than just going in for the kill immediately, and by the time that he realized that fighting Chibi Buu in this manner wouldn't work, he had drained too much of his ki to go full power again, and the strain on his body made it too difficult for him to hold Ssj3 much longer after that.

5) Gokuu admits twice that Ssj Gotenkusu (before Goten and Torunkusu entered the Room of Spirit and Time) is stronger than he is at Full Power Ssj3. Now consider that it wasn't until the boys trained in the RoSaT, then learned how to reach Ssj3, did they manage to come out at or near even with Shin Buu (no absorptions). So how can a form of Buu that's weaker than Full Power Ssj3 Gokuu be stronger than a form of Buu that is obviously leagues above FpSsj3 Gokuu?

6) Chibi Buu is in fact equal to Aku (Evil Buu), and I can give a mathematical formula to represent this.

Aku Buu + Mr. Buu = Shin Buu (no absorptions) - Mr. Buu = Chibi Buu

So in power, from strongest to weakest, we get this

Shin Gohan Buu

Shin Gotenkusu Buu

Shin Pikkoro Buu / "Buff" Buu (don't have enough information to clearly state which is stronger, but we simply know that both are stronger than Gotenkusu Buu but weaker than regular Shin Buu)

Shin Buu (no absorptions)

Fat Buu

Chibi Buu / Aku Buu

Mr. Buu

I'm not too sure, I think Chibi Buu would be stronger than Fat Buu. The good side does make him a good deal weaker after all. Goku said in volume 42 that he could have beaten Fat Buu, and it was the very last time he was refering to him and Fat Buu's power. I'm not sure that even if Fat Buu becomes angry, he'll be able to surpass Chibi Buu. From what I understand, Chibi Buu is the original evil side, while Aku Buu is just the pure wrath and anger.

Aside from that, everything looks perfect to me.

Where did Goku say that?

In volume 42 when he was about to face Chibi Buu he said:
Translation from french to english: Vegeta je te le dis maintenant, j'aurais pu battre le premier gros Bou.
Which translates into: I tell you now Vegeta, I could have beaten the first Fat Buu

Broly · 10-31-2007

Okay, you're right on that, he states it.

Shaka of virgo · 10-31-2007

I think that kid Buu is underrated, as i believe SuperBuu is stronger than kid Buu, and his blast and ki are larger, Superbuu, Fat Buu, have fuse beings inside them, that made them feel, lose power, When SuperBuu+gohan fought Vegerot, he blead, but the kid buu has eternal stamina, his ki never goes down, he dont feel pain or tired, so he could beat the other Buu´s even if he is weaker than them. That is how he beat easy the Fat Buu, and why he was about to beat Goku even if he was pulverize many times.

**Majuub** · 10-31-2007

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I think that kid Buu is underrated, as i believe SuperBuu is stronger than kid Buu, and his blast and ki are larger, Superbuu, Fat Buu, have fuse beings inside them, that made them feel, lose power, When SuperBuu+gohan fought Vegerot, he blead, but the kid buu has eternal stamina, his ki never goes down, he dont feel pain or tired, so he could beat the other Buu´s even if he is weaker than them. That is how he beat easy the Fat Buu, and why he was about to beat Goku even if he was pulverize many times.

His energy seems indeed limitless, but with the raw power at the disposal of the Shin Buus, they would just obliterate him easily. I think the other Buus have the same stamina since Shin Buu was completely recovered from hsi fight with Gotenks when he was about to face Chou Gohan.

LegendaryBroli · 10-31-2007

well kid buu may have been more brutal but due to his primitive state of mind he was usually easier to defeat. I mean he didnt even notice the genki dama until it was too late.

Final Ultima · 10-31-2007

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No, all he's saying is that he acknowledges the existence of the anime and that he's impressed with how Toei Animation handled the anime in general. He's not acknowledging that it's canon in any sense.

You missed this.....
Toriyama: "Dragonball it IS THE ANIME AND MANGA!!"

Final Ultima · 10-31-2007

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I never said the anime wasn't canon. I said it's not as pure as the Manga because of the filler scenes. So, because of that, many people here regard the Manga as a higher form of canon referance.

Well that's not what Toriyama thinks. You guys are entitled to your opinion.

Shaka of virgo · 10-31-2007

I dont think that the kid Buu or any Buu in particular are easy to disintegrate, so Superbuu won´t beat kid Buu even if he is stronger, Kid Buu would come back over and over, only the Genkidama with the power of all humans and the afterlife would do that.

if should be a thread of if Buu was as durable as Cell, Fat Buu resist a bazooka and a bomb to blow a tank and he was unharmed, but the bullets pass through him

**Majuub** · 10-31-2007

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Originally Posted by Shaka of virgo

I dont think that the kid Buu or any Buu in particular are easy to disintegrate, so Superbuu won´t beat kid Buu even if he is stronger, Kid Buu would come back over and over, only the Genkidama with the power of all humans and the afterlife would do that.

if should be a thread of if Buu was as durable as Cell, Fat Buu resist a bazooka and a bomb to blow a tank and he was unharmed, but the bullets pass through him

Goku said that he could have obliterate Chibi Buu, therefore he is stronger than Chibi Buu, he didn't kill him because he lost all his energy. That same Goku didn't want to fight Shin Buu even if he had Vegeta as a back up. SSJ Gotenks was stated to be stronger than SSJ3 Goku by Goku himself, SSJ3 Gotenks is therefore far more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, but SSJ3 Gotenks was just a little stronger than Shin Buu. If Goku said he could have obliterate Chibi Buu, then obviously Shin Buu could since he is at the same level as SSJ3 Gotenks and SSJ Gotenks is at the same level as SSJ3 Goku. Goku did the Genki Dama because it was is last resort, he lost all his energy so he couldn't fight anymore, that's why he did the Genki Dama, if he was at full power he could have outright violated Chibi Buu. If you understand what I mean the explanation goes like this:
SSJ3 Gotenks>Shin Buu>>>>SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku>Chibi Buu
If Goku who was just a little stronger than Chibi was strong enough to obliterate him, I let you imagine what a vilain far more powerful than Goku would have done to Chibi Buu.
Final Ultima, what did you want Akira Toriyama to say? You wanted him to say that DBZ was not the anime at all? He gave credit to Toei because according to him they deserved it, it's true, Dragon Ball is the anime and the manga because the anime is nothing else than Dragon Ball even if it contradicts some statements made in the manga done by Akira Toriyama himself. In an interview, Akira Toriyama said that SSJ Gotenks was a little stronger than Goku, if you watched the anime, Goku is even stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, it utterly contradicts Toriyama's statement. We don't say the anime is fake because obviously it's not, we say that the manga is right on everything and the anime can be wrong on somethings. Going by your logic, DBZ is the anime and the manga, well, in the manga Chibi Buu was weaker than Shin Buu. Anime wise, Chibi Buu is far stronger, what do you want to believe, the manga done by the author himself or the anime done by an animation studio?

Shaka of virgo · 10-31-2007

Can you tell me when do you get that SSJ 1 Gotenks is stronger than SSJ 3? i think you are wrong

**Majuub** · 10-31-2007

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Can you tell me when do you get that SSJ 1 Gotenks is stronger than SSJ 3? i think you are wrong

When Goku was about to face Fat Buu who was with Babidi in volume 40, he said that someone stronger than him would come to face Fat Buu, he was refering to Gotenks. Since Goku didn't know the kids would eventually reach SSJ3 as Gotenks he was talking about the highest form he think they could get, thus he was refering to SSJ Gotenks. Gotenks trained shortly after and Goku was impressed that he reached SSJ3 because he didn't expect Gotenks to be that strong. There is even an interview from Akira Toriyama that says SSJ Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku, it's not directly stated though.

Final Ultima · 10-31-2007

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Final Ultima, what did you want Akira Toriyama to say? You wanted him to say that DBZ was not the anime at all?

I didn't want Toriyama to say anything, Toriyama simply stated what he wanted to state. Everyone knew DBZ was the anime but Toriyama said "DRAGONBALL (Had no Z) IS THE ANIME AND MANGA!"

That interview you are talking about is fake, there was no such interview about Toriyama commenting on Gotenks strength.

**Majuub** · 10-31-2007

I can post it for you if you want, a reliable source told me that the interview was legitimate. Even if the interview was fake, Goku said himself that SSJ Gotenks was stronger than him.
It doesn't change anything if he said DB or DBZ, there are still fillers in both.

Shaka of virgo · 10-31-2007

Goku said that to make Buu stop from killing people, you know that Goku wasn´t even serious, that he wanted the kids to handle the situation because he feel it was not right for him to interfere due he was dead and he don´t exist in Earth anymore, i think Gotenks SSJ 3 could be a little stronger than Goku SSj3, but Gotenks SSj 1 is inferior.

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Shaka of virgo (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 369 Rep Power: 3	Re: Super Buuhan....overrated? I think that kid Buu is underrated, as i believe SuperBuu is stronger than kid Buu, and his blast and ki are larger, Superbuu, Fat Buu, have fuse beings inside them, that made them feel, lose power, When SuperBuu+gohan fought Vegerot, he blead, but the kid buu has eternal stamina, his ki never goes down, he dont feel pain or tired, so he could beat the other Buu´s even if he is weaker than them. That is how he beat easy the Fat Buu, and why he was about to beat Goku even if he was pulverize many times. __________________ Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.

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LegendaryBroli (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 3,270 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 20	Re: Super Buuhan....overrated? well kid buu may have been more brutal but due to his primitive state of mind he was usually easier to defeat. I mean he didnt even notice the genki dama until it was too late. __________________ row row fight da power!

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Shaka of virgo (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 369 Rep Power: 3	Re: Super Buuhan....overrated? I dont think that the kid Buu or any Buu in particular are easy to disintegrate, so Superbuu won´t beat kid Buu even if he is stronger, Kid Buu would come back over and over, only the Genkidama with the power of all humans and the afterlife would do that. if should be a thread of if Buu was as durable as Cell, Fat Buu resist a bazooka and a bomb to blow a tank and he was unharmed, but the bullets pass through him __________________ Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.

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Shaka of virgo (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 369 Rep Power: 3	Re: Super Buuhan....overrated? Can you tell me when do you get that SSJ 1 Gotenks is stronger than SSJ 3? i think you are wrong __________________ Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.

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Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,111 Rep Power: 157	Re: Super Buuhan....overrated? I can post it for you if you want, a reliable source told me that the interview was legitimate. Even if the interview was fake, Goku said himself that SSJ Gotenks was stronger than him. It doesn't change anything if he said DB or DBZ, there are still fillers in both. __________________

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Shaka of virgo (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 369 Rep Power: 3	Re: Super Buuhan....overrated? Goku said that to make Buu stop from killing people, you know that Goku wasn´t even serious, that he wanted the kids to handle the situation because he feel it was not right for him to interfere due he was dead and he don´t exist in Earth anymore, i think Gotenks SSJ 3 could be a little stronger than Goku SSj3, but Gotenks SSj 1 is inferior. __________________ Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.