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12: From time to time, il would happen that people whom I didn't even know were approaching me about the anime. Things were often said like: "Oh jeeze, between the manga and the anime, you must never take any time to let yourself breathe!". In reality, I had hardly worked on the anime, I had put confidence in my collaborators. I had enough to do just with the manga. I didn't want to work myself to death, you know...

Toriyama: I want to live until I'm 100 years old!

13: For example, drawing an image of a movement in a manga is relatively simple, but to animate this image, you had to decompose the movement and draw all the intermediary movements. That demands a colossal amount of work. (Ok, the example of Kame-sennin might not be the most appropriate...)

14: Of course, those who have read Dragon Ball have noticed that certain stories which are found in the anime didn't existe in the manga.

Oolong: What's this? I never saw that in the manga....

END: As one adventure in the manga corresponds to about 10 minutes of animation, and since one episode comprises on average 30 minutes, the entire series of Dragon Ball would have passed by very quickly. The team of animators therefore had to insert some original stories. I admire what they have done, that's a hell of a job!

Toriyama: Dragon Ball, it IS the anime and the manga!!

The Anime is canon like the Manga according to Toriyama.

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Zer0

So what your saying is Yamucha>>>Kanzentai Seru (Zenkai, [Perfect Cell])

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Broly

^^There are actually different levels of canonallity.

1. DB/Z Manga - Everything's true.

2. DB/Z Anime - not everything is true as there are filler scenes and a lot of dialogue is changed. There are even filler sagas: Garlic Jr. Saga, Saiyaman Saga...

3. DBGT and the Movies. Plain atrocious in terms of plotholes. I don't have to explain how or why.

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Super Cool

I consider the Anime my main source of DBZ knowledge(even though it's noncanon) because i don't own manga and i grew up with the DBZ anime. I know that Kidbuu isn't the strongest buu but to me he is(i mean like in fanfics and stuff like that)

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Evil Vegeta

The manga is probably my main source most of the time. But, I'm not one who always stops someone's opinion if it's based on the anime, because I also began on the anime, long before I even knew what the manga was. Sure, the anime contains lots of fillers, but I'm still as much of a fan of the anime as I am of the manga. Also, plenty of the fillers are cool to look at, in my opinion.

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Super Cool

Fillers are fun(except Garlic Jr. saga). I would read a manga if i had it.

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Evil Vegeta

Whoa, you don't like the Garlic Jr saga?! I actually found that saga interesting. I also liked Krillin's little encounter with first form Cell.

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Broly

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the Anime doesn't count for anything, I'm saying the Manga is more reliable because it' the original.

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fktizle

The chart is like this:
Super Buu(Gohan)
Super Buu(Gotenks)
Chibi Buu
Super Buu(Piccolo)
Super Buu
Majin Buu
Mr. Boo
Evil Buu
If anyone wants me to prove it to them, then fine. Majin Buu was getting his ass kicked by SSJ3 Goku, and Piccolo asked Goku "Could you have beaten him if you wanted" and Goku said YES, okay. Goku had limited strength and had a after world body. The only reason he didn't kill him was because he wanted Gotenks to be the heroe. Obviously, this means Goku could kill Mr. Buu and Evil Buu without breaking a sweat. Now, Super Buu was as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks, and got his ass kicked by Mystic Gohan. When he absorbed Gotenks, Gohan was getting his ass kicked. After Gotenks Buu lost the fusion, Goku said that him and Gohan didn't need the potara fusion, meaning, he was stronger than Super Buu, cause he has Piccolo, Trunks, and Goten inside of him, but is not stronger than SSJ3 Goku. After absorbing Gohan, he kicked both SSJ2 Goku alive and SSJ2 Vegeta's ass. SSJ3 Goku wouldn't be able to even touch Gohan Buu, they both got their ass kicked without much effort from Gohan Buu. Now after turning into Chibi Buu, SSJ3 Goku and Chibi Buu were basically matched up evenly. Eventually, Goku couldn't keep up, but that was because he hadn't perfected SSJ3. I would say Kidd Buu is also slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but nowhere near Gotenks Buu or Gohan Buu. Think of it like this:
Kid Buu:3.6
Goku:3.5
Gohan:3.2
Gotenks:3
Gotenks Buu:6
Gohan Buu: 7.5
Vegito:15

This is all my opinion, but it does help.

Broly

Goku had never said outright that he could actually beat Fat Buu, he only said he wasn't sure. Goku's strength wasn't limited in the time he fought Buu. It was only after he powered down that the effects on his body started taking their toll-BUT only because he had limited time. He had stated the only way he could fix the restlessness and stress on his body was by returning to Other World. It's not that SSj3 Goku could've killed him, it's that he never tried to, and when asked about it he said he didn't know if he could even do it in the first place. Fat Buu > Chibi Buu [referance: Manga]

Goku said no such thing. In the manga, Goku said that only Gohan was more than enough of a challenge to handle Shin Buu. He never ever compared himself even remotely equal to Ultimate Gohan.

All that pretty much falls apart once you take into account my other replies.

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Final Ultima

No there isn't. Toriyama himself said Dragonball is the anime and manga.

Toriyama said he considers the Dragonball Z Movies in "another Dimension" because he became part of the audience.

Toriyama said Dragonball GT is a "Side Story."

It is up to the author to decide what is canon and not and Toriyama considers the anime canon.

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Darkprince410

Unfortunately there's quite a bit wrong with this, all stemming from the fact that you're going off the anime rather than the manga.

1) The line Gokuu said to Shin Gotenkusu Buu was that there isn't any need for him and Gohan to fuse anymore because Gohan would be more than a match for him, and basically excluded himself from the fight from that point on. He still knew he had no chance of beating Shin Buu, but did know that Gohan did.

2) Shin Gohan Buu fighting Gokuu and Bejiita is filler. In the manga, Gokuu used the Shunkan Idou to get to Bejiita, and just before Buu manages to get to them, Bejiita submits to fusing with Gokuu, and they form Bejitto.

3) When inside of Shin Buu (no absorptions), Gokuu makes it quite clear that even with Bejiita helping him, they'd still get killed once they left Buu's body, and tries repeatedly to convince him to fuse again. As such, it's painfully clear that Shin Buu (no absorptions) is stronger than Ssj3 Gokuu.

4) Before Bejiita steps in to buy Gokuu time to recharge his ki, they both agree that if Gokuu were to go in at full power, he'd be able to destroy Chibi Buu in an instant. The only reason he didn't was because he started out the fight just fighting Buu on his terms and letting it drag out, rather than just going in for the kill immediately, and by the time that he realized that fighting Chibi Buu in this manner wouldn't work, he had drained too much of his ki to go full power again, and the strain on his body made it too difficult for him to hold Ssj3 much longer after that.

5) Gokuu admits twice that Ssj Gotenkusu (before Goten and Torunkusu entered the Room of Spirit and Time) is stronger than he is at Full Power Ssj3. Now consider that it wasn't until the boys trained in the RoSaT, then learned how to reach Ssj3, did they manage to come out at or near even with Shin Buu (no absorptions). So how can a form of Buu that's weaker than Full Power Ssj3 Gokuu be stronger than a form of Buu that is obviously leagues above FpSsj3 Gokuu?

6) Chibi Buu is in fact equal to Aku (Evil Buu), and I can give a mathematical formula to represent this.

Aku Buu + Mr. Buu = Shin Buu (no absorptions) - Mr. Buu = Chibi Buu

So in power, from strongest to weakest, we get this

Shin Gohan Buu

Shin Gotenkusu Buu

Shin Pikkoro Buu / "Buff" Buu (don't have enough information to clearly state which is stronger, but we simply know that both are stronger than Gotenkusu Buu but weaker than regular Shin Buu)

Shin Buu (no absorptions)

Fat Buu

Chibi Buu / Aku Buu

Mr. Buu

No, all he's saying is that he acknowledges the existence of the anime and that he's impressed with how Toei Animation handled the anime in general. He's not acknowledging that it's canon in any sense.

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Broly

I never said the anime wasn't canon. I said it's not as pure as the Manga because of the filler scenes. So, because of that, many people here regard the Manga as a higher form of canon referance.

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Majuub

I'm not too sure, I think Chibi Buu would be stronger than Fat Buu. The good side does make him a good deal weaker after all. Goku said in volume 42 that he could have beaten Fat Buu, and it was the very last time he was refering to him and Fat Buu's power. I'm not sure that even if Fat Buu becomes angry, he'll be able to surpass Chibi Buu. From what I understand, Chibi Buu is the original evil side, while Aku Buu is just the pure wrath and anger.
Aside from that, everything looks perfect to me. Edition:You made a little mistake, you placed them in the good order but you said that Buff Buu and Pikkoro Buu were weaker than Shin Buu but stronger than Gotenkusu Buu, it's the opposite I think.

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Broly

Where did Goku say that?

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