Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million

**Zer0** · 10-19-2007

Yes well after seeing ANB explain in his opinion why Tenshinhan could have been over 1,000,000 I decided to create this thread for argueing the popular question did the humans at one point or another surpass the million mark. So debate. Nao.

ANB · 10-19-2007

ROFL, where is Nyqua...? I've created a monster...

You do realize I was being sarcastic...? Regardless, it's still there:

**Zer0** · 10-19-2007

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Originally Posted by ANB

You do realize I was being sarcastic...?

>_<

You sounded so serious...

Whatever. If people can argue SSj3 Gokuu can own Saikyo no Gohan and SSj3 Gotenkusu at the same time people can still argue about this.

Devilz · 10-19-2007

I doubt it. I think Tien was around First Form Freiza's PL in the Buu Saga.

Super Cool · 10-19-2007

Only one human. Uub(technically he's human) reached way past that. Other than that no.

**Zer0** · 10-19-2007

Where are all of the Noobs that think Yamucha is at 5,000,000? Where are you? When did all you members become so smart?

Z Warrior · 10-19-2007

The very instant we became old

I think.
I don't think any of them get to a million. Like what super cool said, uub is probably the only one. All the others got lazy.

ANB · 10-19-2007

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Originally Posted by Z Warrior

The very instant we became old

I think.

I don't think any of them get to a million. Like what super cool said, uub is probably the only one. All the others got lazy.

DON'T B SO HASTY.

-Goku offered Tenshihan a spot in the ROSAT.

-His ki-ko-ho wouldn't be able to halt Cell (even ignoring the circumbstances of ambush, not to mention rapid-fire) unless he had a power-level tangibly above the million mark. 3 years??? AFTER being 1,800,000?!?

-It wasn't until he fused with Kami that Picc said "You guys should know by now not to tag along.

-Gero found Yamcha's chi "valuable".

Super Cool · 10-19-2007

I would place yamcha at most 100,000.

FierceGamer · 10-19-2007

Obviously Tien has a power level much higher than 1 million. How else could he have stalled Cell and helped 18 escape. A power level of one million is nothing to Cell. For him to affect Cell, his power would have to be way, way past 1 million. I'm not some kind of Tien fanboy, though, so if there's a legitimate reason why that's not true, then let's hear it. To Z-Warrior, Tien is certainly not lazy by any means. He trains constantly.

ANB · 10-19-2007

*Sigh*, ~~I guess I'll take this thread seriously~~...

Gero mistook Yamcha for Goku. Keep in mind the last he saw was Kaio-Kenx4 and the highest level witnessed 140,000 Vegeta.

Now, Gero said he had been "keeping track of the multiplyers" and studied the graphs of Goku's increase/decrease rates. He looked at all possibilities and built the androids to ensure they wouldn't loose in a fair fight. Piccolo and Vegeta comment that they are "strongly built". In other words, them taking a blow from a SSJ only proves that material is tougher than their fists. And the only reason they can keep up is because of the abstract form of energy.

There were two models:

-Energy absoprtion

-Infinite energy reactor type

He made 19 as a pure robot with energy absorption and it turned out the weakest, but it's potential was huge. Best of all, it obeyed him. Gero stated, rather confidently after observing the first Super Saiyajin transformation: "...Even No. 19 can handle power like this, so of course can I,". He stressed, Toriyama included, that they used some abstract form of energy. They could convert chi into this substance and either add it's strength to their own, or counter-attack with the same energy when necessary.

So, to look at Goku's rate of increase and acknowledge Kaio-ken would only improve further, Yamcha could have had a PL of 810,000 by the Android saga. Further proof...? [kakashi]

-Piccolo was at King Kai's for only 5 days and gained enough power to "impress" Nail. He is easily 74,000

-The Daizenshuu is more of a guideline and rough-draft than a solid, indisputable qur'aan. At maximum, Piccolo being 3,250 is reasonable and 2,600 is his regular form (weight-less). He releases his chi in tremendous bursts, and managed to even scar Nappa's back. Tien is only 1.25 less than this, so after training for 5 days (He said he would "put his own spin on it") Tenshinhan could have equalled Nail. OR, a more plausible theory is that he reached this level by the end of the Frieza crisis (prior ro the year of free-training on Kai's).

-Goku's Pl increased by ten after only 6 months at King Kais. Not only that, but he was rushing and had the fate of the Earth on his shoulders. Tenshinhan trained a YEAR, and had a sparring partner (It isn't until the dawn of the androids that he says Chiaotzu couldn't keep up). Despite all this, his rate of increase is ten (from 2,600-42,000 in a week or so during the events on Namek, no pun intended). I'm using the bare minimum here folks.

-Vegeta, easily 2,300,000 post-Namek, bickered with both Piccolo and Tenshinhan. Everyone knows Piccolo NEVER talks smack unless he has the faintest chance of winning. Tenshinhan was egged on by Vegeta (indicating an interest to fight). Further evidence of animosity is Tenshinhan's remaining resentment over being killed, and Vegeta acknowledging his skills "He fought like man, and died like a dog...!".

By the end of the year+sum change on Kai's, Tenshihan was easily 1,152,990-rounded 1,153,000. He spent over a year in isolation, then Frieza showed up. To stand his ground against Frieza puts him at roughly 1,840,000. Three years pass, and AGAIN, Chiaotzu was still valuable (Even the chapter title manga-panel confirms this). We see him and Yamcha standing TOGETHER waiting for the androids. I'd say, with their lives on the line, they could be between 5-10 million. That's being REEEAAL generous...

1) LSSj7's "Ki-aura arguement" is weak because Ginyu couldn't even use Goku's chi. Goku knew how to detect, use, and manipulate his. Ginyu was horrendously ignorant.

2) Goku wouldn't attempt to galvanize Tenshihan into using the ROSAT unless he was tangibly close to his previous strength. By Tenshihan's own admission: "I'll never be able to catch up to you as a SSJ. I'll continue on my own,".

3) Yamcha said Krillen was the strongest human despite prior knowledge of Tenshihan's full power at the Cell-Games. This would be a plot-hole unless Krillen trained for a few years, and then gave up. Remember: They didn't know where Tenshihan was. And as the vs. Shin Buu-Ki-ko-ho indicates, he was still up and kicking (just in private).

4) Buu said Ten was "A legendary fighter". He knocked him out afraid of a possible fusion. AND Tenshihan dodged Shin Buu's intentional ki-blasts. I'm not saying he was anywhere near the billions or even the hundred millions (God forbid >%<), just pointing out interesting details.

5) Nappa was the LSSJ, 'nuff said.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 10-19-2007

I won't mince words: I use the Bukujutsu altercation to further my point because Toriyama-sensei was consistently drawing types of auras.

The Saiyan Saga- Intense flame aura reached at 10,000.

The Freeza Saga- a flux between intense and soft aura when 1,000,000 range is reached. Soft in full in the 3,000 - 4,000,000 range.

The Cell Saga - We see Gohan have a full soft aura nonwithstanding, while everyone else only has a flame aura (with the exception of Piccolo, who was being compared to the Super Saiyan's of the timeframe, and Kuririn acted as though he hit a totally new, exorbitant roof in power - as if it was beyond what he had seen up until that point)

I should also add that while in the circumstance of the aforementioned human's case, it only takes fervid incentive, application of such, and dutiful devotion to increase one's strength at a rapid rate, by the time Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Piccolo reached Kaio-sama's planet they were well in the 1,000's range (and much higher), so they did not reap the benefits gained through Goku's initial training (who wasn't even at 500 at the time of his rigorous training) - and Kaio-sama himself has his eventual limitations, his capacity is NOT unlimited - this is why I say at the most 8,000 - 10,000 would be a good maximum (and that that was multiplied many fold by the Cell Saga, but not so much so that it reached over 1,000,000 - remember, that the mere mention of Freeza still unsettled the humans in question long after his defeat).

FierceGamer · 10-19-2007

^^Are you saying that Tien held Cell back with a power level of less than 1 million? Forgive my skepticism, but that doesn't sound possible. Surely he's not THAT strong but still, his power level can't be that low, can it?

deckzone3000 · 10-19-2007

Just Uub.

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Originally Posted by FierceGamer

^^Are you saying that Tien held Cell back with a power level of less than 1 million? Forgive my skepticism, but that doesn't sound possible. Surely he's not THAT strong but still, his power level can't be that low, can it?

Tien's attack is what's so strong. It is rather over powered though. During that time, it was probably as strong as SS Goku's kamehameha.

feon2 · 10-19-2007

Uhh... I think not.

The Gyniu Forces = Most powerfull guys in universe. I don´t think any human can surpass them...

10-19-2007	#1 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,176 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 144	Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Yes well after seeing ANB explain in his opinion why Tenshinhan could have been over 1,000,000 I decided to create this thread for argueing the popular question did the humans at one point or another surpass the million mark. So debate. Nao. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

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ANB (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,992 Rep Power: 46	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million ROFL, where is Nyqua...? I've created a monster... You do realize I was being sarcastic...? Regardless, it's still there: __________________

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Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 5,048 Rep Power: 31	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Only one human. Uub(technically he's human) reached way past that. Other than that no. __________________

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Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,176 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 144	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Where are all of the Noobs that think Yamucha is at 5,000,000? Where are you? When did all you members become so smart? __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

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Z Warrior Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 5,331 Rep Power: 35	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million The very instant we became old I think. I don't think any of them get to a million. Like what super cool said, uub is probably the only one. All the others got lazy. __________________

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Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 5,048 Rep Power: 31	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million I would place yamcha at most 100,000. __________________

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FierceGamer (13) Great Ape Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 286 Rep Power: 2	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Obviously Tien has a power level much higher than 1 million. How else could he have stalled Cell and helped 18 escape. A power level of one million is nothing to Cell. For him to affect Cell, his power would have to be way, way past 1 million. I'm not some kind of Tien fanboy, though, so if there's a legitimate reason why that's not true, then let's hear it. To Z-Warrior, Tien is certainly not lazy by any means. He trains constantly. __________________ One day Chuck Norris walked down the street with a massive erection ... there were no survivors.

10-19-2007	#11 (permalink)
ANB (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,992 Rep Power: 46	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Sigh, ~~I guess I'll take this thread seriously~~... Gero mistook Yamcha for Goku. Keep in mind the last he saw was Kaio-Kenx4 and the highest level witnessed 140,000 Vegeta. Now, Gero said he had been "keeping track of the multiplyers" and studied the graphs of Goku's increase/decrease rates. He looked at all possibilities and built the androids to ensure they wouldn't loose in a fair fight. Piccolo and Vegeta comment that they are "strongly built". In other words, them taking a blow from a SSJ only proves that material is tougher than their fists. And the only reason they can keep up is because of the abstract form of energy. There were two models: -Energy absoprtion -Infinite energy reactor type He made 19 as a pure robot with energy absorption and it turned out the weakest, but it's potential was huge. Best of all, it obeyed him. Gero stated, rather confidently after observing the first Super Saiyajin transformation: "...Even No. 19 can handle power like this, so of course can I,". He stressed, Toriyama included, that they used some abstract form of energy. They could convert chi into this substance and either add it's strength to their own, or counter-attack with the same energy when necessary. So, to look at Goku's rate of increase and acknowledge Kaio-ken would only improve further, Yamcha could have had a PL of 810,000 by the Android saga. Further proof...? [kakashi] -Piccolo was at King Kai's for only 5 days and gained enough power to "impress" Nail. He is easily 74,000 -The Daizenshuu is more of a guideline and rough-draft than a solid, indisputable qur'aan. At maximum, Piccolo being 3,250 is reasonable and 2,600 is his regular form (weight-less). He releases his chi in tremendous bursts, and managed to even scar Nappa's back. Tien is only 1.25 less than this, so after training for 5 days (He said he would "put his own spin on it") Tenshinhan could have equalled Nail. OR, a more plausible theory is that he reached this level by the end of the Frieza crisis (prior ro the year of free-training on Kai's). -Goku's Pl increased by ten after only 6 months at King Kais. Not only that, but he was rushing and had the fate of the Earth on his shoulders. Tenshinhan trained a YEAR, and had a sparring partner (It isn't until the dawn of the androids that he says Chiaotzu couldn't keep up). Despite all this, his rate of increase is ten (from 2,600-42,000 in a week or so during the events on Namek, no pun intended). I'm using the bare minimum here folks. -Vegeta, easily 2,300,000 post-Namek, bickered with both Piccolo and Tenshinhan. Everyone knows Piccolo NEVER talks smack unless he has the faintest chance of winning. Tenshinhan was egged on by Vegeta (indicating an interest to fight). Further evidence of animosity is Tenshinhan's remaining resentment over being killed, and Vegeta acknowledging his skills "He fought like man, and died like a dog...!". By the end of the year+sum change on Kai's, Tenshihan was easily 1,152,990-rounded 1,153,000. He spent over a year in isolation, then Frieza showed up. To stand his ground against Frieza puts him at roughly 1,840,000. Three years pass, and AGAIN, Chiaotzu was still valuable (Even the chapter title manga-panel confirms this). We see him and Yamcha standing TOGETHER waiting for the androids. I'd say, with their lives on the line, they could be between 5-10 million. That's being REEEAAL generous... 1) LSSj7's "Ki-aura arguement" is weak because Ginyu couldn't even use Goku's chi. Goku knew how to detect, use, and manipulate his. Ginyu was horrendously ignorant. 2) Goku wouldn't attempt to galvanize Tenshihan into using the ROSAT unless he was tangibly close to his previous strength. By Tenshihan's own admission: "I'll never be able to catch up to you as a SSJ. I'll continue* on my own,"*. 3) Yamcha said Krillen was the strongest human despite prior knowledge of Tenshihan's full power at the Cell-Games. This would be a plot-hole unless Krillen trained for a few years, and then gave up. Remember: They didn't know where Tenshihan was. And as the vs. Shin Buu-Ki-ko-ho indicates, he was still up and kicking (just in private). 4) Buu said Ten was "A legendary fighter". He knocked him out afraid of a possible fusion. AND Tenshihan dodged Shin Buu's intentional ki-blasts. I'm not saying he was anywhere near the billions or even the hundred millions (God forbid >%<), just pointing out interesting details. 5) Nappa was the LSSJ, 'nuff said. __________________

10-19-2007	#12 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,736 Rep Power: 48	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million I won't mince words: I use the Bukujutsu altercation to further my point because Toriyama-sensei was consistently drawing types of auras. The Saiyan Saga- Intense flame aura reached at 10,000. The Freeza Saga- a flux between intense and soft aura when 1,000,000 range is reached. Soft in full in the 3,000 - 4,000,000 range. The Cell Saga - We see Gohan have a full soft aura nonwithstanding, while everyone else only has a flame aura (with the exception of Piccolo, who was being compared to the Super Saiyan's of the timeframe, and Kuririn acted as though he hit a totally new, exorbitant roof in power - as if it was beyond what he had seen up until that point) I should also add that while in the circumstance of the aforementioned human's case, it only takes fervid incentive, application of such, and dutiful devotion to increase one's strength at a rapid rate, by the time Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Piccolo reached Kaio-sama's planet they were well in the 1,000's range (and much higher), so they did not reap the benefits gained through Goku's initial training (who wasn't even at 500 at the time of his rigorous training) - and Kaio-sama himself has his eventual limitations, his capacity is NOT unlimited - this is why I say at the most 8,000 - 10,000 would be a good maximum (and that that was multiplied many fold by the Cell Saga, but not so much so that it reached over 1,000,000 - remember, that the mere mention of Freeza still unsettled the humans in question long after his defeat). __________________ Last edited by LegendarySSJ7; 11-26-2007 at 11:46 PM.

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FierceGamer (13) Great Ape Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 286 Rep Power: 2	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million ^^Are you saying that Tien held Cell back with a power level of less than 1 million? Forgive my skepticism, but that doesn't sound possible. Surely he's not THAT strong but still, his power level can't be that low, can it? __________________ One day Chuck Norris walked down the street with a massive erection ... there were no survivors.

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feon2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 286 Rep Power: 2	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Uhh... I think not. The Gyniu Forces = Most powerfull guys in universe. I don´t think any human can surpass them... __________________ WAR CROCOP! http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...l-s-chart.html