Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million - Page 5

ANB · 10-23-2007

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Originally Posted by warcrack

We meant humans besides Uub.
And ANB... lol. Do you mind posting some more/better scans of Tien's encounter with Buu?

Not to be rude, but I've exhausted my efforts here. Why don't you guys do some research for yourself...?

If you can't see the text, I'll re-scan them to the best of my abilities. 4 nao, I attempt to make it clearer. Basically: Buu knocks Tenshinhan out upon discovering Goku's patora. He knew Goku was coming, and left his pieces in a strategic way. He then ambushes Gohan, who is distracted with the lost patora. He needed to eliminate Tenshinhan first because he would be easier to merge with (And Gohan was healthy again).

-The tip was hid on a rock to attack Gohan when he was distracted.

-The moment Goku revealed his patoras, Buu put himself back together (but not completely; it was to throw Goku off) and pretended like he was fully complete.

-Gohan misses the patora which was tossed to him by Son. Buu takes this opportunity to ambush.

^Look at his face...! He knows the offer is full of horse-s***, and he grins in Goku's face. He even gives him a count-down and pats himself on the back for "being a nice guy,". Clearly, Tenshinhan was above/<1,000,000 by Trunks' arrival and well into the double-digit millions after 3 years of training (consistant with being a few notches below Goku's base in said story arc). The fact he isn't weezing up a storm with the basic Ki-ko-ho against Buu's finger blast proves he hadn't been doing a lot of strength training, and casual Mountain-robes indicates doing leisurly exercise with less emphasis on endurance (more on health!). After-all, no one could sense his chi. But he obviously trained...

deckzone3000 · 10-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

I think Tien does surpass 1 million, but not by much......

- Tien starts out with a PL of 250 at the begining of DBZ.

-After training 1 year with Kami, it is generally accepted by most that Tien was one of the strongest of the fighters fighting the saiyans, likely between 1,600 and 1,900.... Just for the hell of it, let's say 1,750 (Not neccesarily true, but it does fit the multiplier) That multiplies his power by 7 in the span of one year. This obviously wasn't normal training, seeing as Goku vastly increased his power when training with Kami as well, and add the fact that he had other fighters to spar with, it makes x7 very believable in my opinion.

-Tien and the other humans travel down snake way at a quick rate, and I would assume this increased their power somewhat, but not too much, let's just say by .5x because it is a lot of excercise..... That puts Tien at 2,625 by the time he makes it to King Kai's place.....

-Tien and the others then train durring the events of the Frieza saga, for an unknown amount of time (As far as I know anyway) Now I have heard it was only 6 days before Piccolo was wished back before, so that would probably mean Yamcha was wished back about 2 weeks after begining his training with King Kai...... This increase for Tien is small enough that it isn't worth mentioning though....

-Tien and Chaozu both train for one year, being instructed by King Kai, the man who increased Goku's power (Including Snake Way) by about 20x. Goku's actual training with King kai was less than one year though. However, Tien and the others were never training in the art of Kaioken, so that clarifies that his increase from training with King Kai is less than 20x. But, training with a sparring partner, and being trained for one year under King Kai in 10x gravity surely gave Tien a great increase. 10-15x would be my guess. Let's just say for the sake of the argument that Tien is at 3,000 by the end of the frieza saga, so multiply 3,000 by 10-15x, we'll say 15x for a maximum for now, to get 45,000. So Tien is at 45,000 by the time Trunks arrives, which I feel is realistic considering how hard he trains.

-After being informed that he would be killed by the Androids 3 years from the present, it's clear Tien was ready to put his heart and soul into the next 3 years of training. Afterall, his vigorous training combined with his desire to live should really increase his power by a good amount over 3 years..... However, we assume that he trains alone for the most part this time, so let's say a 10x increase over 3 years, which I think is acceptable to be honest. This puts Tien at 450,000 for his max. possible PL by the android saga. Now combine that with 10 days of vigorous training for the Cell Games, and then 7 more years of assumed training going into the Buu saga, and 1,000,000 is by no means unreasonable in my opinion.......

It's not believable if you remember that Goku went through 3 years of training at Kami's and his power level was probably in the 300s afterwards.

Tien and the other humans getting so much stronger in the saiyan saga was simply because the plot called for it.

A more believable power level for Tien after training for the saiyan's arrival would be 300-400.

The plot really didn't call for the humans to get a lot stronger for the Cell saga, so their power increases were probably more reasonable.

Fred · 10-27-2007

Wth...the basis for peoples thinking in this topic is that you all believe humans are too weak to achieve that power. If you recall, the weakest Saiyan power levels were around 1,200 (400 if you count Goku) and their power levels went up to the BILLIONS. 1 bill is one million 100 times over. If Saiyans can do that then why can't humans go to at least a million. And if their power levels weren't at a million? they would have been candy creamed when it came to the Cell jrs. The Cell juniors were about 1/4 of Complete Cell's power(by estimate) and Complete Cell has been estimated around 500,000,000. 1/4 of 500 mil is 125 mil. Do you really think someone with a 600,000 power level could last that long against someone with a 125,000,000 power level? Thats about 2000% stronger. They definitely at least hit a million if not higher.

BurningVegeta · 10-27-2007

Excatly another example that people are underestimating their own race. lol basicly Tein wouldn't have been able to keep Cell in that hole without a power level higher than 1 million. the same with Jonny America's example... These guys aren't your regular Karate fighters, their the worlds greatest fighters.

BurningVegeta · 10-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Jonny America

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Tien and Chiatzu aren't human. They were creations by Taopaipai, that's why they never age. They're basically clay beings.

And just where did you get this?

No, it wasn't in the manga. It also wasn't in the anime. So, where?

Yes...

It was in the anime...Shit Tao doesn't say this, the Crane Master says it, he states this in thought while Tienshenhan fights Chun-Sama. Or around there. He definitely said this.

WTF tHAT can't be true no wayyy.... Tein don't age because his a monk, just like Choazu, when they start to reach 80 then they will age just like Master Roshi i mean his 138 something if not older.

I'm so sure Tein is HUMAN, if he is clay why did he die naturally like everybody else, or whay didn't he put himself back together, why did he die full stop?

**Darkprince410** · 10-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Jonny America

Did any of you guys see Dragonball? Tien and Chiatzu aren't human. They were creations by Taopaipai, that's why they never age. They're basically clay beings.

Sorry, but in no version of the story is this ever mentioned or even hinted at. The closest to that ever being said was along the lines of that he made them what they were in a figurative sense (in the same way that Pikkoro helped make Gohan the person that he turned out being), not that he literally physically constructed them.

BurningVegeta · 10-27-2007

Now that makes a lot more sense as ddin't the Crane Hermit learn Tein and Chozu the Dompa attack, and the Kikkoh

Yaki · 10-27-2007

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

basicly Tein wouldn't have been able to keep Cell in that hole without a power level higher than 1 million.

This is not necessarily true because to my knowledge the Kikoho attack used by Tenshinan on Cell uses a lot more power than the users pl. This therefore could make it seem as though he had a pl over a million but that might not have been the case but as we do not know any exact powerlevels at the point it is very hard to know. Please correct me if I am wrong.

BurningVegeta · 10-27-2007

i dunno dude but if Cell used to the Kikkoh to keep Cell

king omega · 10-27-2007

Your right to say the attack is stronger then the user.

Unless the Tri Beam is 10 times stronger then the user the Tien could of been under a million.

But the Tri Beam is definatly not that strong at this point.

Now if Tien was over a million then the Tri Beam would only be 5 or so times stronger.

Since their is not a bunch of attention given to the humans in DBZ there is no way too tell.

But by the Buu Saga Tien was definatly over a million since Buu called him strong but not as strong as the others, so he would definatly have to be over a million.(Now i think im going to work on my fan fic for a little bit now)

BurningVegeta · 10-27-2007

Yay awesdome dude people are finally understanding, Humans ROCK!!!

king omega · 10-27-2007

YAY 4 Humans!![naruto2]
(Please try to write more productive posts. --LegendarySSj7)

**Darkprince410** · 10-27-2007

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Originally Posted by King omega

Your right to say the attack is stronger then the user.

Unless the Tri Beam is 10 times stronger then the user the Tien could of been under a million.

But the Tri Beam is definatly not that strong at this point.

Now if Tien was over a million then the Tri Beam would only be 5 or so times stronger.

Since their is not a bunch of attention given to the humans in DBZ there is no way too tell.

But by the Buu Saga Tien was definatly over a million since Buu called him strong but not as strong as the others, so he would definatly have to be over a million.(Now i think im going to work on my fan fic for a little bit now)

But the Ki Kou Hou most likely IS 10x stronger than the user's normal power level if enough life force is used with it, and the Shin Ki Kou Hou is obviously far stronger than that.

Fred · 10-28-2007

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

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Originally Posted by Jonny America

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Originally Posted by SRP76

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Originally Posted by Jonny America

Tien and Chiatzu aren't human. They were creations by Taopaipai, that's why they never age. They're basically clay beings.

And just where did you get this?

No, it wasn't in the manga. It also wasn't in the anime. So, where?

Yes...

It was in the anime...Shit Tao doesn't say this, the Crane Master says it, he states this in thought while Tienshenhan fights Chun-Sama. Or around there. He definitely said this.

WTF tHAT can't be true no wayyy.... Tein don't age because his a monk, just like Choazu, when they start to reach 80 then they will age just like Master Roshi i mean his 138 something if not older.

I'm so sure Tein is HUMAN, if he is clay why did he die naturally like everybody else, or whay didn't he put himself back together, why did he die full stop?

If he was human he would have bled a lot more when Nappa tore off his arm, and did you notice his blood was a weird color? And I know it's awkward mentioning this in a DBZ topic, but would a human have three eyes? Would a human have skin like make-up? And master roshi was 863 in the middle of Dragonball, and he did age at the end of DBZ.
And sorry about the shitty grammar on my previous post, I was uh...tired?

Cableguy15 · 10-28-2007

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10-27-2007	#63 (permalink)
Fred (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,060 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 84	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Wth...the basis for peoples thinking in this topic is that you all believe humans are too weak to achieve that power. If you recall, the weakest Saiyan power levels were around 1,200 (400 if you count Goku) and their power levels went up to the BILLIONS. 1 bill is one million 100 times over. If Saiyans can do that then why can't humans go to at least a million. And if their power levels weren't at a million? they would have been candy creamed when it came to the Cell jrs. The Cell juniors were about 1/4 of Complete Cell's power(by estimate) and Complete Cell has been estimated around 500,000,000. 1/4 of 500 mil is 125 mil. Do you really think someone with a 600,000 power level could last that long against someone with a 125,000,000 power level? Thats about 2000% stronger. They definitely at least hit a million if not higher. __________________

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king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million Your right to say the attack is stronger then the user. Unless the Tri Beam is 10 times stronger then the user the Tien could of been under a million. But the Tri Beam is definatly not that strong at this point. Now if Tien was over a million then the Tri Beam would only be 5 or so times stronger. Since their is not a bunch of attention given to the humans in DBZ there is no way too tell. But by the Buu Saga Tien was definatly over a million since Buu called him strong but not as strong as the others, so he would definatly have to be over a million.(Now i think im going to work on my fan fic for a little bit now) __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

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king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 10	Re: Did Any of the Humans Surpass 1 Million YAY 4 Humans!![naruto2] (Please try to write more productive posts. --LegendarySSj7) __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black