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which series is better.
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Personally, I like the Tenkaichi series better because of the free flight and freedom you're able to use, which of course makes the fights more DBZ like.
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Yeah i like the Tenkaichi series better plus there's new characters.
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I absolutely despise the Budokai fighting system, and Tenkaichi gives you more freedom and is a lot more fun.
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I absolutely agree with you guys. Also I've noticed something distinctly irrational and fan-boyish about people who like the Budokai series better than Tenkaichi. They just can't seem to explain why.
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I can say the same for every single Tenkaichi fan who has tried to argue their case here.

If you don't seem to recall us explaining why, it looks like you guys are losing your memory.


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Every combo in the Tenkaichi series revolves around taping one button and a few directional arrows, and occassionally pressing a different button in the end. I don't like going...punch, punch, punch, punch, direction, punch, punch, punch, punch, ki, punch, punch, ki, punch, direction, ki. You're...doing almost exactly the same things, just pressing them in at a different amount, and inserting "direction" or "ki" at a different place. First off, one button for all melee attacks blows. Really, really blows. Just...one button plus directional variations. Unless you go into hyper mode, you get no more variety than that. You have to go into a "mode" just to get the normal amount of variety expected from any fighting game on any platform. I still lack the ability to control kicks and punches separately, which was forfeited just to make things move faster. It has totally lost it's arcade fighter feeling, although it was never quite like that to begin with, on how the specials worked, but it's combo system was close enough. I can't put my finger on it, but arcade fighters, and games like Budokai 3 did it right. Tenkaichi 2 didn't. It did something different which was somewhat acceptable, but ended up having this...I'll tap this button rapidly until you break off your gaurd, and if you counter, I'll take a beating as you tap this button rapidly until I counter, and then I'll tap this button rapidly and then press this other button to knock you back, when you come back to knock me back, then I'll knock you back, and....style of gameplay. Whereas arcade fighters, and more modernized 2D Platform Fighters such as Budokai 3 take into acount how each string or combo ties in with every other string or combo, take care in how each type of attack affects the opponent's position, allowing for juggles, combo strings, timed specials, and unlike Budokai 2, the third installment had taken care to make sure there were counter measures for each of these situations additionally. Tenkaichi 2's combo's and combo strings, comparitavely, are kind of...cheap. They lack the same level of depth, basically. The wii remote made it more innovative, but those same problems still caught up to me.

The graphics resemble fanart, really. They look nothing like the anime, even less like the manga, are blocky, look as if they were all designed from the same kind of model with different proportions, have...terrible line-work, if that's even a real term for anything, warped anatomy, clunky appearances in movement, and remind me more of clay dolls or wax figurines than actual people or characters, namely, they don't look the slightest bit alive, and just about the only thing comendable here is that their coloring job was smooth, although the colors are often too bright. Super Dragonball Z was most commendable for the artwork of it's environments, which pulled off a near mirror image of Toriyama's classic manga. The character artwork also best reflects that of the manga by far, despite some minor problems with anatomy (mostly the arms), and texture in a few levels. It pulled off that arcade fighter feel and look, while perfectly giving off that feel that you were playing the manga, which I find commendable indeed. The fact that the aura's are freaking butt-ugly, annoys a lot of people, really, consider they look like some cheap flash graphics job by some college amateur computer junkie, and the fact that I hear of it at some point in nearly every discussion that delves into the games graphical issues. Stupid looking aura's themselves is a stupid reason to hate a game, unless of course, it's paired with mediocre graphics overall, comparative lack of depth in gameplay, lack of variety, and smothered in stuff which is entirely unecessary. If you'd prefer the cheap aura's of Tenkaichi renown, to the smooth, flowing aura's of Budokai 3, I have nothing to say really, other than that I find your tastes in art questionable. Since you agree on the "beam uniqueness", I have no need to address that, but lastly, throwing in everything you can think of is harmful to any game. Pointless character additions, features nobody uses, all the utter nonsense that has been Tenkaichi 2's absolute most fatal flaw, it is "drowning it in trash".
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Default Re: Budokai Or Tenkaichi

I stand corrected. I disagree about the depth and replayability of the game, but that's the first properly articulated counterpoint I've heard yet.
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Well, I'll tell you one thing. Tenkaichi 3 will save the day. No doubt in my mind. Besides, it's always the last installment that makes a DBZ series the best. If T3 is better than B3, then the Tenkaichi series is greater than the Budokai series.
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I have no doubt that that's exactly what's going to happen.
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Well then I'll be the brave one and depict my "irrationality and fanboyism" by saying that Budokai 3 has been my fav fighting game since it came out. When it comes to video games for me, I'm all about visual realism, and I think that B3 depicts that beautifully: I could give a crap about the gameplay (unless you're talking about B2, then I beg to differ). The better series for gameplay purposes is the Tenkaichi series, no doubt. However, I like the graphics better in Budokai 3, the actual character movements and special effects are more realistic and believable then the "robotic" movements of the characters in the Tenkaichi series. 3D does not always mean better graphics. I've seen 2D paintings look better then 3D depictions of the same object.
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B3 does not have great character design. Their faces are a bit...misshaped.
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Tenkaichi has poor character design. All their faces are totally "misshaped".
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Well, I'll tell you one thing. Tenkaichi 3 will save the day. No doubt in my mind. Besides, it's always the last installment that makes a DBZ series the best. If T3 is better than B3, then the Tenkaichi series is greater than the Budokai series.
Yeah, I agree with you completely. I can still play B3 till this day. last month I played B2, only because my data erased, and I wanted to play it again. But, it's something I can't really do anymore. Anyway, the first two can't even compare to B3, and BT2 is far better then all of them. So, I also believe the tenkaichi series is the best, and BT3 will be far better then any of them.
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Tenkaichi has poor character design. All their faces are totally "misshaped".
I agree, their faces are too square and their chins are too big. But the most distracting part about the characters in BT is that their chests and hands are way too big for their bodies. I know that they're supposed to have big chests, but it honestly looks like they took pillows and stuffed their shirts.

The thing that I most enjoyed about the characters in B3 was that their bodies displayed a more natural flexability, which makes it look less robotic like the characters in the BT series. Even their muscles appeared to move like muscles naturally do. They were surprisingly more anatomically accurate and realistic then the characters in the BT series.
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I disagree. I really think the character designs have improved, but they need to work on some minor details. Another thing I like about Tenkaichi is their melee attacks aren't as collinear or straight forward as B3. In Tenkaichi you at least have a sense...of dimensional attack. To me, they both have flaws that standout. I just happen to like BT2 more. The fact that you're able to fly around freely while fighting is a pretty big thing to me. And unlike B3, you do get to power up a lot of your beam attacks. The only thing BT2 doesn't have, is the Dragon Rush. Which, to me is not that great. But then, BT2 has a lot that B3 doesn't have: the ability to make barriers at will, destructible environments that don't play into the same cutscene everytime, the ability to start off as SSj2, SSj3, etc. I think they both have stuff over each other...I mean we could go on forever talking about why B3 is better than BT2 or why BT2 is better than B3. But, instead of making all this useless debate, I prefer to wait for BT3 to come out. Then, after you play the pinnacle of Tenkaichi yourself, decide whether you like it better than B3.
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