Zer0

When Pikkoro arrives on Namek he encounters Neiru who informs Pikkoro, despite the surprising power he possesses, he is no match for Furiza. If Pikkoro had been able to assimilate his other half then he would be able to defeat Furiza easily. So Pikkoro's assimilation with Kami-Sama would be at least as powerful as his assimilation with Neiru. Given that Pikkoro's power level before arriving on Kaiou-Sama's planet would be under 2,800 (3,500 according to the Daizenshuu) and was there for a few days it would seem his power level wouldn't rise as high as Neiru's 42,000. Probably somewhere between 5,000 and 15,000 at best. So the assimilation multiplier with Neiru was somewhere around 100 fold to 300 fold to be confident enough to defeat an over 1,000,000 Furiza that powered up two more times.

Moving on to the Jinzoningen Arc Kuririn states that Pikkoro has Super Saiyajin like power. That places Pikkoro's power level somewhere around 150,000,000. After being taken down by Junanago (#17) he decides to assimilate with Kami-Sama putting him on the same level as Junanago. So my point is wouldn't Pikkoro's increase in the Jinzoningen Arc be pretty huge? More than the 2 or 3 fold increase that is standard in Power Level lists more like, however odd it is to say, over a 100 fold increase?. That is unless Pikkoro's assimilation with Neiru decreased the effectiveness of his assimilation with Kami-Sama, Kuririn exaggerated Pikkoro's Super Saiyajin like power or that Pikkoro's power level on Namek was substantially higher than most assumed thus lowering the assimilation multiplier.

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Darkprince410

I highly doubt that Kuririn was exaggerating by saying that Pikkoro had a level of power akin to that of a Super Saiya-jin (considering he's sensed Ssj Gokuu, Ssj Torankusu, and Ssj Bejiita before saying as such), and I doubt that Pikkoro gained that much of a power boost while on Kaiou-sama's planet (given that he was only there for a few days). I think your assessment that assimilating Neiru into his being is the reason why the resulting power wasn't as major as it should have been (a possible impurity scenario), or the simple fact that Kami's power probably continued to dwindle up to that point (I imagined him slowly growing weaker as time went on), so while merging with him did give him a considerable power boost, it's not as much as he could have gotten several years earlier.

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Zer0

Well when Neiru made the comment about Pikkoro assimilating with his other half on Namek he had no knowledge about Kami-sama's power or state of health. Is it possible that Kami-sama's decreasing power or aging health had no effect on the assimilation since Neiru didn't bother to mention anything on the matter? Although if it did effect the assimilation's power boost it would explain the considerable decrease when it happened.

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Tyro

Edit: Nevermind, solved my own problem.

ANB

His age doesn't change anything...

Piccolo's death in volume 4, Kami-sama states: "At least Piccolo surpassed me, I can die pleased," Did Kami have a power-level close to 3,500??? He cannot chanel that power because of his age, which is why he took Shen's body. That's one explination. But, Kami didn't want to cause a panic; he looked just like his "brother" the demon king. Kami was indeed in the thousand's range. In other words, Shen limited how much he could use.

Before fusing, Piccolo wondered if he should assimilate into him. Kami told Piccolo, volume 14: "You are the new generation. I will merely be...the catalyst,". These facts support the idea Piccolo>>>Kami because the latter wouldn't lower himself to become a genie-in-a-demon if said demon was WEAKER than him.

Some may argue Nail was just an opportunist who didn't want to die. Bull-shit, Nail was a noble Namekian warriar. He acknowledged Piccolo's skill and said (Along the lines) "you still," emphasis on 'still', "...can't beat Frieza. I can help,". Nail. is. weaker. Piccolo multiplyed his power by at least 16-fold.

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warcrack

If that was true, then Piccolo would have had to increase his strength by quite a ridiculous margin in the span of only a few days.There may be no reasonable explanation for this, other than the "Nail-makes-Piccolo-impure" idea, which we have no way of proving. I think that the odd multipliers for the assimilations are merely the results of Akira Toriyama using a plot device.

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SRP76

Who came up with the idea that Piccolo's assimilation of Nail was the same thing as remerging with Kami? It isn't. Piccolo's joining with Kami wasn't a merging of two different Namekians; it was simply two parts of one Namekian coming back together again.

Broly

Yes, Nail fusing with Piccolo was simply an assimilation-an addition to himself. Kaim is the second half to Piccolo, so it gos like this:

Kamiccolo - Half = Piccolo ------[period of time before they re-conjoin]------Kami = "Kamiccolo" [Nail merged]

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LegendarySSJ7

Not at all. The Daizenshuu's measurement is quite accurate to Kami-sama's battle power; the 200's range (as Piccolo Daimaô was his inferior, though this delves into the conundrum that is early Dragonball power levels... by the time we get to the 23rd Budokai and Goku and Piccolo's battle, it nullifies and contradicts what we see later on in early Dragonball Z if we guage the battle powers, and expounding upon that would derail this thread), and The Great Elder's statement later on vindicates this (what with him being diminished by half of the power when they seperated). I'm not sure if we should arouse "sheer power" and the such as that major a factor here as Namekian Assimilation could be infinitely more complex than that.
As for Nail being "just an opportunist"? A dynamic tone of sorts? No. I'd say Nail was doing anything and everything in his power to altruistically help in the battle against Freeza, not taking advantage of Piccolo's exploits and letting the tension slowly build intrigue whilst Gohan suffers on the battlefield. Considering his (Nail's) roof was 42,000 at the time, 5 and a half days leaves no breathing room for Piccolo to reach a level of power anyplace above 42,000, let alone near the aforementioned battle power, with what would surmount to nothing more than training on Kaio-sama's planet (and that does not get that much further past the 8,000 range).

SRP76 brings up a good talking point - this is Piccolo becoming 'complete' again, not another fusion. That, and that Namekian fusion does not work in the same way that say, Metamorese fusion or the Portara method would in a terms of power. That's my take on the entire affair, if that doesn't sound addling on any sense of the word.

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Evil Vegeta

I really think Piccolo's power level was far from an overwhelming 150,000,000. It also can't be 3,500 in the Saiyan Arc, that's too close to Nappa. I don't have it right in front of me at the moment, but since I read that chapter a couple days ago, I still kinda remember what Krillin said.

Krillin: He's so powerful..!!! And he's not even a Super Saiyan!! What kind of training has he been doing?!!

Now that doesn't outright suggest his Power is close to a Super Saiyan's Power. I think it's basically saying Krillin did not expect Piccolo to be so strong at that point. Everyone other then Piccolo and Vegeta were weaker then #20 anyway, so the fact that he's holding his own against an Android says that he has to be more powerful after the training.

I still think Piccolo at this point can't beat 100% Freeza, but that's just me. On to the topic.

I think Piccolo's Power after leaving Kaio's was probably around 28,000 or maybe a little less. Nail has a power level of 42,000, so it wouldn't make sense for someone at that level saying your very powerful or whatever he said about Piccolo if his power was only around 10,000 when he arrived there. I think the assimilation isn't the combination of the two power levels, I think it's just a special increase in power, as you can see with the fusions in the Buu Arc. If you would just combine their powers together, it wouldn't add up to anything that is even able to compete with Freeza First Form; at 530,000. So, it has to something like 100 fold or around that.

Another key thing to remember about Piccolo on Kai's is when he arrived his power was much greater then Goku's when he had arrived. So, it wouldn't be all that impossible for him to gain a huge amount of power in six days. Especially if people are putting him around 150,000,000 after three years of training on the regular earth, without the use of the Rosat.

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BurningVegeta

Well Piccolo merging with Nail or Kami-sama should not be called Assimilation as Assimilation (from similis, lat. = similar), in biology, designates the process of the transformation of external substances and materials into substances and materials internal to the body. Examples of assimilation are:* By mean of photosynthesis, carbon dioxide and water are transformed into a number of organic molecules in plant cells.

Piccolo's body is basicly a plants body i think as Nameks just drink water, so Piccolo is a super Plant, so if the scientific Assimiliation acounts for Piccolo, then Nail joinign Piccolo should have changed him completey, Kami should have chanaged Piccolo back to the first being when they were whole. The increase of power would also be limited to Piccolo's natural power when joined with Kami, he should have grown in power at all, but formed a bran new being

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FierceGamer

Its possible that Picolo was much stronger than you think. Is it ever made clear how long he stays with King Kai? Even if he doesn't stay as long as Goku did, he was much stronger than Goku was when he got there, so King Kai was probably able to increase his power more. It's also possible that you're absolutely right and that this is kind of a plot-hole.

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Broly

Well, at the same time, you have to take into account how many warriors were there on King Kai's Planet: Piccolo, Tien, Krillen, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu. With all those warriors training together the results would naturally multiply.

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