SS2 Vegeto

Not many characters in Dragonball can take an atomic bomb. It seems that many individuals are under the illusion that the sheer..collateral damage something can cause is a determining factor in it's overall intensity, but it's not. This is the temperature of the sun.

Temperature - of surface (effective) 5,778 K

Temperature - of corona ~5,000,000 K

Temperature - of core ~15,710,000 K

°C = K - 273.15

°F = (K × 1.8) - 459.67

That's roughly 5,505°C, 4,999,727°C, and 15,709,727°C, or 9,941°F, 8,999,540°F, and 28,277,540°F.

Fission Bombs

There are two basic types of nuclear weapons. The first are weapons which produce their explosive energy through nuclear fission reactions alone. These are known colloquially as atomic bombs, A-bombs, or fission bombs.

Hiroshima (Little Boy) - The bomb produced a yield of approximately 15,000 tons of TNT, a tonnage roughly seven times all of the bombs dropped on Germany in 1942. The airburst above the city created a 1000 foot wide fireball with temperature at ground zero of 5,000 degrees centigrade (Celcius) and a shock wave travelling close to the speed of sound. A mushroom cloud rose 20,000 feet in the air.

The temperature of the air at the point of explosion exceeded a million degrees Celsius. The temperature on the ground is believed to have reached 3000 to 4000 degrees Celsius.

Nagasaki (Fat Man) - The bomb produced a yield of an estimated 20,000 tons of TNT. As the explosion of the bomb occured, the fireball reached millions of degrees Celcius at maximum and its volume rapidly expanded, then after ten seconds, it lost brilliance. From the instant of the explosion the size and temperature of the fireball increased as follows: 0.1 milliseconds later, the diameter was about 28 meters and the surface temperature was uniformly distributed at about 300,000 degrees Celcius; 10 milliseconds later, the diameter was about 180 meters and the surface temperature was about 1,700 degrees Celcius; 0.3 seconds later, the surface temperature again increased to about 7,000 degrees Celcius; one second later, the diameter reached its maximum of about 280 meters at 5,000°C surface temperature, and the temperature gradually diminished reaching 1,700°C in about 3 seconds.


The amount of energy released by fission bombs can range between the equivalent of less than a ton of TNT upwards to around 500,000 tons (500 kilotons) of TNT.

Fusion Bombs

The second basic type of nuclear weapon produces a large amount of its energy through nuclear fusion reactions, and can be over a thousand times more powerful than fission bombs as fusion reactions release much more energy per unit of mass than fission reactions. These are known as hydrogen bombs, H-bombs, thermonuclear bombs, or fusion bombs.

In a thermonuclear bomb, the explosive process begins with the detonation of what is called the primary stage. This consists of a relatively small quantity of conventional explosives, its detonation brings together enough fissionable uranium to create a fission chain reaction, which in turn produces another explosion and a temperature of several million degrees. When the temperature of the mixture reaches 10,000,000 K, fusion reactions take place.

Ivy Mike - Ivy Mike was the code name given to the first (successful) US test of a fusion device where a major part of the explosive yield came from fusion. The fireball was over 3 miles (5 km) wide, and the mushroom cloud rose to an altitude of 57,000 feet (17.0 km) in less than 90 seconds. One minute later it had reached 108,000 feet (33.0 km), before stabilizing at 120,000 feet (37.0 km) with the top eventually spreading out to a diameter of 100 miles (161 km) with a stem 20 miles (32 km) wide. The output of 10.4 megatons of TNT exceeded all of the explosives used in WW II including both atomic bombs.

Castle Bravo - Castle Bravo was the code name given to the first U.S. test of a so-called dry fuel thermonuclear device. It was the most powerful nuclear device ever detonated by the United States, with a yield of 15 megatons. Though some 1,000 times more powerful than the atomic bombs which were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II, it was considerably smaller than the largest nuclear test conducted by the Soviet Union several years later. When Bravo was detonated, it formed a fireball almost three miles (roughly 5 km) across within a second. This fireball was visible on the Kwajalein atoll over 250 miles (450 km) away. The explosion left a crater of 6,500 feet (2,000 m) in diameter and 250 feet (75 m) in depth. The mushroom cloud reached a height of 47,000 feet (14 km) and a diameter of 7 miles (11 km) in about a minute; it then reached a height of 130,000 feet (40 km) and 62 miles (100 km) in diameter in less than 10 minutes.

Tsar Bomba - Tsar Bomba (Russian: ????-?????, literally "Tsar Bomb") is the Western name for the RDS-220, which was the largest, most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated. Developed by the Soviet Union, the bomb had a yield of about 50 megatons of TNT. The device was scaled down from its original design of 100 megatons to reduce the resulting nuclear fallout. The fireball touched the ground, reached nearly as high as the altitude of the release plane (the bomb was dropped from an altitude of 10,500 m), and was seen and felt 1,000 km away. The heat from the explosion could have caused third degree burns 100 km away from ground zero. The subsequent mushroom cloud was about 60 km high (nearly seven times higher than Mount Everest) and 30–40 km wide. The explosion could be seen and felt in Finland, even breaking windows there (The Tsar Bomba detonated north of the Arctic Circle on Novaya Zemlya Island in the Arctic Sea). Atmospheric focusing caused blast damage up to 1,000 km away. The seismic shock created by the detonation was measurable even on its third passage around the Earth. Its Richter magnitude was about 5 to 5.25. Since 50 Mt is 2.1x10^17 joules, the power produced during the burn was around 5.3x10^24 watts. This is more than one percent of the entire power output of the Sun.

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warcrack

Just so that our American friends don't get confused here, I've converted all the Celsius numbers to Fahrenheit for the listed tempatures of the nuclear bombs in the order they were mentioned. (All Fahrenheit numbers were rounded to create better generalities):
5000 degrees Celcius= 9508 degrees Fahrenheit

3000 degrees Celsius= 5500 degrees Fahrenheit

4000 degrees Celsius= 7260 degrees Faherenheit

1,000,000 degrees Celcius=1,800,060 degrees Fahrenheit

300,000 degrees Celsius= 540,060 degrees Fahrenheit

10,000,000 K is roughly about 9,999,700 degrees Celsius, which is roughly 18,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

For reference on the Sun's tempature (all numbers have been generalized):

Surface: 5505 degrees Celsius= 9900 degrees Fahrenheit

Corona: 4,999,700 degrees Celsius= 8,999,500 degrees Fahrenheit

Core: 15,710,000 degrees Celsius= 28,280,000 degrees Fahrenheit

Basically, the Sun is pretty hot. Obviously, Vegeto's numbers can be used if anyone wants more detailed information.

More fun facts about the Sun:

-The sun uses hydrogen nuclei to fuel itself by fusing it together to create helium nuclei, meaning that the Sun is hot enough to use nuclear fusion.

-The sun, when converting hydrogen nuclei to helium nuclei, releases 3.83 x 10^26 watts of energy per second, or the equivalent of 9.15 x 10^10 megatons of TNT.

-The sun makes up over 99% of all matter in the solar system.

-Over 1,000,000 Earths could fit inside the Sun.

For comparison, the greatest heat ever withstood by a Dragonball character was when ssj Goku, in the Freeza Saga, was thrown into a pool of lava and escaped unscathed. Lava's average tempature ranges from 700- 1200 degrees Celsius (1300- 2200 degrees Fahrenheit). Radiation has never been exhibited in Dragonball, ever, and in the manga, no true comparison has ever been made between the power of a character and the Sun.

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Nikushimi

Well now wait a minute, you can't say that DBZ characters are only affected by heat. All heat does is spread things out at a molecular level, cause shit to melt and soften, that kinda thing. If you get a powerful enough blast (like, say, one that can destroy the Earth), it doesn't matter if it's fifty below- anyone who can't handle the heat of an atomic bomb would be vaporized immediately.

This is just another one of the many flaws with Dragonball physics. If you're saying all it takes is a bit of heat to kill them, then the DBZ characters aren't so strong afterall, and some of the match-ups I've made need to be rediscussed (such as "Piccolo vs. Grimmjow"). If DBZ characters can be killed by an atomic bomb...shit...Deidara and Sasori could handle Frieza.

In all seriousness, though, you can ignore the minor detail of lava, and only rely on the more credible demonstrations of power (among which being the effortless and complete destruction of entire worlds instantaneously). Or you can choose to ignore the fact that base form Frieza, who obliterated Planet Vegeta on a whim, is leaps and bounds weaker than Cell or Buu or SS3 Goku, and say lava/atomic bombs>>>all DBZ characters.

Honestly, you phail for trying to apply this level of logic to a manga (especially Dragonball). Maybe while you're at it, you can explain why characters like Saiyan Saga Vegeta are capable of planet destruction while characters like Majin Buu, who are infinitely more powerful, should be able to (but can't) do the same thing by like...being on a planet and leaking energy at a tenth of their maximum output...

I applaud you for noticing this contradiction, pointing it out, and making me feel like a nuclear physics retard, but this analysis is only going to open up a can of steaming shit.

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ultimate sayia-jin 5

I'd imagine even a half dead Freeza could surive the heat actually. Half Dead Freeza lived a planet exploding, the heat energy of a planetary explosion logically has to be greater then a nuke maybe even the sun. Although I belive they would live the explosion and heat the radiation would eventually kill them but not before the 5.3x10^24 Watts made them go blind.

SS2 Vegeto

I'm not so sure. The earth's inner core temperature is estimated at around 5000 to 7000 degrees Celcius. The outer core temperature ranges from about 4,400 to 6,100 degrees Celcius. The inner mantle is of an average temperature of 3000 degrees Celcius. The outer mantle temperature lands between 1400 degrees Celcius and 3000 degrees Celcius (upper and out layers). I'm not sure exactly what kind of heat the detonation of a planet would send out, but it would have to be thousands of times greater. That said, we don't know how Namek works.

Nuclear blasts would not be capable of destroying the earth, because of the way they explode. They don't..shoot through the planet, and pierce the earth's core, nor are they large enough to just swallow everything. However, nothing on the planet could withstand the full force of a nuclear blast. In fact, consider the sun one giant nuclear blast. If the earth drifted into it, it'd be incinerated. Kaiosama considered that if Goku could tap into the tremendous power of the sun, the genki dama would be much more powerful. The genki dama normally borrows trace amounts of energy from grass and trees, people and animals, from inanimate objects and the atmosphere, concetrates them, and releases them. The genki dama normally borrows very small amounts of energy. It's never shown that Goku has learned to tap into solar power for this attack, but he did borrow energy from neighbouring planets, due to lack of energy on Namek, and the combined ki nearly killed Freeza at 50% of his full power. The fact that any blast can produce so much as one percent of the entire power output of the sun, is astounding.

No, not a single being within Naruto nor in Bleach could produce or survive the effects of a nuclear bomb.

Really, you could blow up a planet multiple times larger than earth, and it still wouldn't necessarily indicate that the blast itself is more powerful, only that it is more suited for destroying planets - of course, it would have to be of a certain level of power to destroy any planet, but is it formed in a way that would allow it to destroy it? Majin Vegeta's self destruction didn't destroy the earth either - SSJ2 Complete Cell had enough ki to blow away the solar system. SSJ2 Gohan managed to overpower him. SSJ2 Vegeta was (somewhat) stronger than SSJ2 Gohan had been, even before the Majin power-up. In fact it looked kind of like an atomic bomb went off..it was a dome of energy. It can't destroy the earth just from being there. I'm sure if you could fire off some kind of atomic beam, you could shoot it straight through the earth and out the other side. I've also explained this before, but they can focus and control their power.

Nuclear weapons have to hit them first. In addition, characters who can blow up the sun, could logically possess the capacity to exceed it's heat intensity and sheer level of energy.

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mAIOR

Actually SSJ2 Vegeto, the explosion of every single nuclear device in the planet wouldn't even get near 1% of the suns energy production. Trust me on this one you probably read about the energy of the sun per square feet or the energy from the sun that reaches Earth that makes more sense. I had to calculate the entire energy produced per second by the sun in a radius of the Earths trajectory and I must tell you it's pretty wild (if I find my notes from this years class of Thermodynamics I'll post here!). We also calculated the total energy released from a fusion bomb and it was nowhere near the power of the sun.
This reminds me of a book I read where a scientist predicted mankind would have to throw Nukes at the Sun to make it last longer. I asked my Nuclear Physics professor if this was possible, and he scorned me. He said maybe in the future with substances we don't know of, it could be possible but, as we are now, we could pick the entire Earths nuclear arsenal plus build bombs from every material that could be transformed in a bomb and blast it to the sun with it that it'd maybe give him 2 milisecs of extra life.

Also, I like to add physics to DB (I know hard task) but I believe the "power" waves they send is actually plasma waves meaning, they have enough energy to turn the air or whatever material into plasma making it very, very hot. And Freeza stoped a blast capable of destroying over 1000 Earths (20X kaioken) with a single hand. Now, I'd like to see that power output on an Hidrogen bomb.
I also think they resist the damage they take thanks to their energy creating a barrier around the body enabling them to punch trough steel as we punch a paper leaf making them extremely resilient!


Sorry for the long post but I loooooooooove this arguments.


Cheers...

mAIOR

Sorry for the double post. I took a closer look on the data you inserted and you're talking about the energy released by Gama Rays only that's "wasted" energy!
for the total energy of the sun you have to use relativity concepts.


Cheers...

SS2 Vegeto

It's not totally uncommon knowledge (with..bombs, and all, you can look it up and find the same thing anywhere), that the Tsar Bomba's energy output was that high. The heat alone of any fusion bomb is close to the heat of the sun's core, and the power level of that bomb was slightly more than one percent. The energy output was that high for brief time during the third stage burn - roughly 40 billionths of a second.

Ki is not "plasma waves". It is ki. The explosion of one planet was apparantly a threat to Super Saiya-jin Goku's life.

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mAIOR

Yes. It's really high. I know :) .
And regarding Ki waves, well, as I said. I believe they focus enough energy to turn the air into some sort of plasma ence, having a high temperature and energy.
And I believe it was not the explosion of the planet himself that posed a threat (a much weaker Freeza survived it) but, the lack of ability to survive in space.
Also, to deal with the radiation fallout nasty problems, nothing better than a high energy burst.
The nuclear tests conducted on the earths atmosphere proved that high energy bursts (storms) cleared any radiation around.

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SS2 Vegeto

Ki isn't exactly a physical energy, that that's your first flaw right there.

Freeza at 50% still held back in destroying the planet, unintentionally. It means Freeza, at 50%, could have survived it, but it could have hurt him. Goku was afraid of dying in space, but others thought he died on Namek.

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Final Ultima

Well DBZ characters have shrugged off planet destroying blasts and more quite easily. A nuclear bomb wouldn't do anything to a DBZ character but make them laugh.

The way I see it is Ki > Blackhole > Sun > Planet.

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SS2 Vegeto

Did you read anything I posted? Nuclear explosions cannot destroy the planet, because they are not blasts directed at anything, and they are not large enough to simply..swallow up the planet. It has nothing to do with power. These "planet destroying blasts" are nowhere near the intensity of a thermonuclear explosion.

I highly doubt any dragonball character could resist the pull of a black hole, and it takes Super Saiya-jin 2 levels of power just to destroy the sun (this isn't even to say that it exceeds the heat of the sun, as opposed to just intensity [to shoot through it]).

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Darkprince410

The best way to compare a planet destroying blast to a thermonuclear explosion would be like comparing Bejiita's Gyarikku Ho (during the Saiya-jin Saga) to his Ultimate Final Skill (his self destruction to destroy Buu). The Gyarikku Ho can be assumed to have been designed specifically for penetrating the planet's surface and detonating at the core, causing an instability within it leading to its eventual destruction, while when Bejiita used the Ultimate Final Skill, he had more than enough power to be able to destroy the planet if he wanted to, but he focused the intensity of the explosion into a relatively small area that, apart from leaving a crater in the ground, didn't really affect the Earth at all.

There's no way that any character in the Dragonball universe would be able to escape the gravitational pull of a black hole (Gokuu's star escaping scene in the Furiiza Saga was filler) and as Ss2 Vegeto said, the minimum confirmed power needed to destroy a sun sized star is in the Ssj2 range, since Seru after his self destruction/regeneration boasted that he had a level of ki strong enough to destroy the entire solar system (that leaves room that someone weaker might be able to simply destroy the sun, but there's no way to confirm it)

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Final Ultima

I read your post, it seems you didn't read mine. My point is thermonuclear explosion isn't anywhere near the power of ki. Piccolo "vaporized" the moon with a casual hand blast, Buu smashed earth with a hand blast, Cell can destroy an "Entire" Solar System and kid Buu destroyed a galaxy, yet you think thermonuclear blasts are more "intense" then Ki???

And yes, DBZ characters can excape the pull of a Black Hole, they are faster than light!

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SS2 Vegeto

Then it seems you didn't understand it. It does not make it more powerful, to destroy more. If you persist with that argument, I will simply say that Vegeta's gallick gun in the saiya-jin saga must have been more powerful than his suicide attack in the buu saga - the last one didn't destroy the earth - so it couldn't be stronger! That would be incorrect. I've explained this thoroughly -

Black holes suck in light. If there are any that can even struggle against it's pull, that would already make them faster than light, and there wouldn't be many if that were so.

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