Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage - Page 4

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 09-26-2007

A nuclear missile explodes, scatters aimlessly, and then dies down, leaving the region uninhabitable, leveled, and otherwise a wasteland. The peak heat of the explosion nears that of the sun’s core, being the hottest in our solar system. If you use this ‘Non-Canon’ as official, then you understand that Cooler and Bebi both suffered the same fate, as to burning up before reaching the surface of the sun. (<- Meaning they probably ignited and died near the corona, maybe, just maybe, the surface, I don’t exactly remember.) Cooler is roughly as powerful as Frieza, and Bebi, some said is around Kid Buu – Shin Buu [Gohan – Absorbed]. Wouldn’t that effectively mean a Nuclear Missile (Which has the brief heat intensity of the Sun’s core) would destroy both of them, as well as anyone weaker?

Lastly, we probably could destroy the Earth in some way if we tried hard enough, but we kinda… need it?

**SS2 Vegeto** · 09-26-2007

It's an explosion, not a compact sphere, or a beam. If you forced it into that shape, it'd still be..a blast. It wouldn't be something fit to pierce through, and then explode - it's already an explosion. If it still couldn't destroy the earth, because it didn't have enough force - then it's still releasing heat similar to the sun's core.

mAIOR · 09-26-2007

It may be but it doesn't have the raw power to destroy the Earth. That's all I'm saying.
And the only time you saw characters melting in the sun was in non-canon so it doesn't count or else SSJ4 Goku would've blown up the Sun when he blasted Bebi (who was not nearly as powerfull as Buu at that state!)
And Cooler got hit by a death Ball plus a Kamehame before entering the sun so it could've been that he was too weak to resiste it's heat.

Cheers...

ultimate sayia-jin 5 · 09-26-2007

1. I found the Gravitational binding energy for the Earth it's 2.4×10³² joules of energy. the total energy output of the Tsar bomb heat energy included would be a mere 2.1×10¹⁷ joules of energy. Vegeta could destroy Earth, to do this he had to overcome the GBE.

2. This has always confused me, why is heat energy considered more powerful then explosions? I would aprecitate it if someone would explain why they feel its so threating to dragonball characters that can take Planet or even solar stystem destroying blasts.

3. The suns energy output is far greater then a nuke as mentioned before by mAIOR. The sun puts out 3.86×10²⁶ joules per second.

4. As I mentioned before I do agree the radiation would kill most of them and the light would blind them.

I said most and not all because Boo could rip off the part off him effected by the raditation and regenerate.

mAIOR · 09-26-2007

And Cell and Freeza would probably resist radiation as they could survive in space.

Also, as I said, they could make an energy burst strong enough to clear the radiaton. It's possible.

I think it would take more than a bomb to destroy a DBZ character.

Ultimate, you forgot to mention the sheer density of the Earths Nuclei.
I mean they'd have to overcome the GBE and also prevent the energy from being disipated quickly due to the pressure on it.

Cheers...

Final Ultima · 09-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

I can answer both questions with a single answer. No one has been able to find a legitimate original version of any of the interviews that you've posted (this is far from the first time that people have sited those interviews as a basis for fact, so there has been plenty of time to search for them) as well as the fact that what are said in those "interviews" are contradicted by what is stated and shown not only in the manga, but by other interviews of Toriyama-sensei's (so that's two sources against one). The "sources" for the interviews you posted can be (and in these cases are) faked, and it's been shown repeatedly many times that it's not hard to forge an interview (excluding these, I've seen at least a dozen "interviews" by Toriyama-sensei that have turned out to be fakes, whether by the author's own eventual admission or, like in these cases, contradictions in what is said in comparison to what is said at other times). Unless an original copy (as in scanned right from the magazine or comic) is found, pretty much no interview on here could be posted without being scrutinized thoroughly.

They aren't Toryama's mistakes, because they aren't his ideas. They are the ideas of some "fan" out there that thinks he's funny by falsifying interviews (why? I dunno, could be that he wanted to try and prove a point, so he faked it so he could say, "Oh but look, Toriyama-sensei wrote this, so I'm right!" or because he was just bored and wanted to see how far it would go).

So just because you can't find the "original legitimate version" of the interviews on the internet, they automatically become fake? I am sorry, I am not buying that. I would like you to site the interviews that you claim are legit that contradict Akira Toriyama please. Until you prove that the interviews are fake, I will believe what is in Black and white.

I have one question?

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Piccolo explains that Goku "escaped the paralysis with super speed in the instant of the explosion."

How fast is this feat??

**Darkprince410** · 09-27-2007

No, if you read what I said, the inability to find the original source automatically puts up a red flag to the legitimacy of the interviews. Then (as I did with the ones you posted) they're usually read over enough times by several different people looking for other mistakes therein, to see if there's a chance of it being legitimate or not. In the cases of the "interviews" you gave the links to, no one has been able to produce an original source for where the interview came from, and picking it to pieces there are multiple mistakes within what is said. As for the interviews I mention, I can't give specific issues, but all I can say is the interviews for Shonen Jump.

It's obviously slower than 10,000 km/s, judging by what is exclaimed later on at the beginning of the Seru Saga. Face it, the exasperation on the Z Senshi's faces by Gokuu traveling a mere 20,000 kilometers in a few seconds through the use of his Shunkan Idou proves that no one under their own power is able to reach that kind of speed. Since light travels at a velocity of 300,000 km/s, it's very clear that they aren't coming close to scratching that barrier during the Seru Saga.

Final Ultima · 09-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Darkprince410

No, if you read what I said, the inability to find the original source automatically puts up a red flag to the legitimacy of the interviews. Then (as I did with the ones you posted) they're usually read over enough times by several different people looking for other mistakes therein, to see if there's a chance of it being legitimate or not. In the cases of the "interviews" you gave the links to, no one has been able to produce an original source for where the interview came from, and picking it to pieces there are multiple mistakes within what is said. As for the interviews I mention, I can't give specific issues, but all I can say is the interviews for Shonen Jump.

It's obviously slower than 10,000 km/s, judging by what is exclaimed later on at the beginning of the Seru Saga. Face it, the exasperation on the Z Senshi's faces by Gokuu traveling a mere 20,000 kilometers in a few seconds through the use of his Shunkan Idou proves that no one under their own power is able to reach that kind of speed. Since light travels at a velocity of 300,000 km/s, it's very clear that they aren't coming close to scratching that barrier during the Seru Saga.

1. Dude, you saying that the interviews from Shonen Jump and the Dragonball Daizenshuu's being fake just because you can't find the "original source" on the internet is wrong. Just because you can't find the original source on the net doesn't mean it is fake. Alot of interviews still have not been recorded or shown on the net. You do realize most of the interviews Toriyama Akira did was at least 10 years ago (mid 90's)? If you can't prove that the interviews are made up then please, leave your theories in the realm of fanfiction please. They are real until proven otherwise.

2. You really didn't answer my question concerning the speed, Also Goku didn't travel 10, 000 kilometers in seconds, he did it in an instant. Shunkan Idou = "Instantaneous movement," that is why everyone was impress, besides Vegeta because when goku accomplished the feat he thought it was just Super Speed. Nothing is faster than instantaneous movement so why wouldn't anyone be amazed?

**Darkprince410** · 09-27-2007

1) No, see the interviews you posted aren't from the Daizenshuu or Shonen Jump, because someone would easily be able to pick up and check either to see if they were, and I'm not saying that no one hasn't been able to find the original source on the internet or anything, I'm saying that no one has been able to find the original source....PERIOD! As for proving that they aren't real, all it takes is knowing what he's openly stated several other times in several other interviews (not to mention what he has in his own manga) which is all the information that anyone would need to realize the lack of authenticity for them.

2) The way it is drawn in the manga, the trip was far from being instantaneous (even though that's what the Shunkan Idou is). The entire round trip took him more than a second, yet the Z Senshi was still insanely impressed by it (even the ones like Gohan and Yamucha, who had a faint inkling as to how fast Gokuu was as an Ssj, and Bejiita, who apart from Gokuu was the strongest and the fastest there)

In general though, since this argument (the legitimacy of your "interviews") is not going to end anytime soon, I suggest we just drop it in general, since we could argue about it till we were blue in the face but neither of us will change our view of it. I'm not admitting defeat (far from it), I'm just saying let's call it a draw and be done with it.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 09-27-2007

- It's on your shoulders to provide verification, because it's reasonable, in fact empirical, to reject claims without evidence. It's foolhardy to assume the accuracy of something until proven otherwise, because no one should believe without reason. A central concept in science and the scientific method, for example is that all evidence must be empirical, or empirically based, that is, dependent on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses. It's the same deal, and if you take the word of others blindly on the internet, you're bound to wind up with a whole lot of nonsense.

- So, he grabbed Roshi's sunglasses mid-"instant"-teleportation, then teleported back without any time passing? Not likely. Vegeta scoffed at it, saying Goku fooled them by moving fast - Goku used Roshi's sunglasses as proof, because Kame House was over 10,000 kilometers away. Roshi saw Goku take his glasses.

Final Ultima · 09-27-2007

1.The interviews are from Shonen Jump and the Daiznenshuu's!!! Those are not fake but REAL!! That is verification enough! I will leave it at that.

2.Instantaneous movement is what surprised the Z Senshi, not just speed.

3. No one could answer my speed feat question?

**SS2 Vegeto** · 09-27-2007

1. You have no proof that it ever appeared in Shounen Jump or the Daizenshuu. Your word is not worth anything without evidence, and neither is the word of some other website.

2. Obviously not, since it's impossible that no time passed, and Vegeta thought he fooled them by moving quickly, and all of them were utterly stunned that Goku could travel such a distance so quickly.

3. It wasn't ten kilometers, it was within visible distance.

Final Ultima · 09-27-2007

1. The guy gave us sources where his interviews came from, they are even on websites!! He posted the magazine cover where it states there is an interview with Akira Toriyama! And the Daiznenshuu interviews are true because in all seven books Toriyama has interviews and those interviews are translated as fact fro mthe daizneshuu's.

2. No, Z senshi was shocked about instantaneous movement, they were not shocked about "Super speed."

3. I am talking about the speed feat from the manga scans I posted up at the top of the page.

Did you get how fast it is?

**SS2 Vegeto** · 09-27-2007

1. There is false information all over the internet. It doesn't mean anything if it's on a website. The dragonball AF rumor was all over the internet , "even on websites" (honestly, it's the internet, where else?), but those are fake. It could be the cover to any Akira Toriyama interview. How in the world does it prove that this exact interview was contained within that magazine? The cover could've been for some different interview entirely. The daizenshuu interviews - can you prove those were accurate translations, and not fan-fabrications? Do you know the issue, and page? If so, run it by some guys on Daizenshuu EX, and see what they all think of it. If not - it's nothing.

2. Again, you're just ignoring my explanation, and going "I'm right, you're wrong". They all shouted, and Yamcha exclaimed that Kame House was over 10,000 kilometers from there - why on earth would that be important, if it wasn't shocking that someone could travel that distance with super speed? If Goku could have flown that distance normally, why was it considered proof that his technique was legit, for him to travel 20,000 kilometers in little over a second? It's far outside the distance he could normally travel in a few moments, that's why.

3. So was I. It wasn't ten kilometers, it was within visible distance.

Final Ultima · 09-27-2007

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

1. There is false information all over the internet. It doesn't mean anything if it's on a website. The dragonball AF rumor was all over the internet , "even on websites" (honestly, it's the internet, where else?), but those are fake. It could be the cover to any Akira Toriyama interview. How in the world does it prove that this exact interview was contained within that magazine? The cover could've been for some different interview entirely. The daizenshuu interviews - can you prove those were accurate translations, and not fan-fabrications? Do you know the issue, and page? If so, run it by some guys on Daizenshuu EX, and see what they all think of it. If not - it's nothing.

2. Again, you're just ignoring my explanation, and going "I'm right, you're wrong". They all shouted, and Yamcha exclaimed that Kame House was over 10,000 kilometers from there - why on earth would that be important, if it wasn't shocking that someone could travel that distance with super speed? If Goku could have flown that distance normally, why was it considered proof that his technique was legit, for him to travel 20,000 kilometers in little over a second? It's far outside the distance he could normally travel in a few moments, that's why.

3. So was I. It wasn't ten kilometers, it was within visible distance.

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopi...t=3776&start=0

http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopi...r=asc&start=20

2. The reason why shouting 10, 000 km was important because Goku instantaneously did the feat!

3. So wha tdo you mean by it wasn't ten kiliometers? How fast was the feat??

09-26-2007	#46 (permalink)
Island of 1,000 Condiments (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,157 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 103	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage A nuclear missile explodes, scatters aimlessly, and then dies down, leaving the region uninhabitable, leveled, and otherwise a wasteland. The peak heat of the explosion nears that of the sun’s core, being the hottest in our solar system. If you use this ‘Non-Canon’ as official, then you understand that Cooler and Bebi both suffered the same fate, as to burning up before reaching the surface of the sun. (<- Meaning they probably ignited and died near the corona, maybe, just maybe, the surface, I don’t exactly remember.) Cooler is roughly as powerful as Frieza, and Bebi, some said is around Kid Buu – Shin Buu [Gohan – Absorbed]. Wouldn’t that effectively mean a Nuclear Missile (Which has the brief heat intensity of the Sun’s core) would destroy both of them, as well as anyone weaker? Lastly, we probably could destroy the Earth in some way if we tried hard enough, but we kinda… need it? __________________ Ampharos will FUCK your Shit UP!

09-26-2007	#47 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage It's an explosion, not a compact sphere, or a beam. If you forced it into that shape, it'd still be..a blast. It wouldn't be something fit to pierce through, and then explode - it's already an explosion. If it still couldn't destroy the earth, because it didn't have enough force - then it's still releasing heat similar to the sun's core. __________________

09-26-2007	#48 (permalink)
mAIOR (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 3	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage It may be but it doesn't have the raw power to destroy the Earth. That's all I'm saying. And the only time you saw characters melting in the sun was in non-canon so it doesn't count or else SSJ4 Goku would've blown up the Sun when he blasted Bebi (who was not nearly as powerfull as Buu at that state!) And Cooler got hit by a death Ball plus a Kamehame before entering the sun so it could've been that he was too weak to resiste it's heat. Cheers...

09-26-2007	#49 (permalink)
ultimate sayia-jin 5 (12) Saiyan Prince Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 214 Rep Power: 3	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage 1. I found the Gravitational binding energy for the Earth it's 2.4×10³² joules of energy. the total energy output of the Tsar bomb heat energy included would be a mere 2.1×10¹⁷ joules of energy. Vegeta could destroy Earth, to do this he had to overcome the GBE. 2. This has always confused me, why is heat energy considered more powerful then explosions? I would aprecitate it if someone would explain why they feel its so threating to dragonball characters that can take Planet or even solar stystem destroying blasts. 3. The suns energy output is far greater then a nuke as mentioned before by mAIOR. The sun puts out 3.86×10²⁶ joules per second. 4. As I mentioned before I do agree the radiation would kill most of them and the light would blind them. I said most and not all because Boo could rip off the part off him effected by the raditation and regenerate.

09-26-2007	#50 (permalink)
mAIOR (7) Warrior of Earth Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 3	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage And Cell and Freeza would probably resist radiation as they could survive in space. Also, as I said, they could make an energy burst strong enough to clear the radiaton. It's possible. I think it would take more than a bomb to destroy a DBZ character. Ultimate, you forgot to mention the sheer density of the Earths Nuclei. I mean they'd have to overcome the GBE and also prevent the energy from being disipated quickly due to the pressure on it. Cheers...

09-27-2007	#52 (permalink)
Darkprince410 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,998 Rep Power: 52	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage No, if you read what I said, the inability to find the original source automatically puts up a red flag to the legitimacy of the interviews. Then (as I did with the ones you posted) they're usually read over enough times by several different people looking for other mistakes therein, to see if there's a chance of it being legitimate or not. In the cases of the "interviews" you gave the links to, no one has been able to produce an original source for where the interview came from, and picking it to pieces there are multiple mistakes within what is said. As for the interviews I mention, I can't give specific issues, but all I can say is the interviews for Shonen Jump. It's obviously slower than 10,000 km/s, judging by what is exclaimed later on at the beginning of the Seru Saga. Face it, the exasperation on the Z Senshi's faces by Gokuu traveling a mere 20,000 kilometers in a few seconds through the use of his Shunkan Idou proves that no one under their own power is able to reach that kind of speed. Since light travels at a velocity of 300,000 km/s, it's very clear that they aren't coming close to scratching that barrier during the Seru Saga. __________________

09-27-2007	#54 (permalink)
Darkprince410 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ohio, United States Posts: 2,998 Rep Power: 52	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage 1) No, see the interviews you posted aren't from the Daizenshuu or Shonen Jump, because someone would easily be able to pick up and check either to see if they were, and I'm not saying that no one hasn't been able to find the original source on the internet or anything, I'm saying that no one has been able to find the original source....PERIOD! As for proving that they aren't real, all it takes is knowing what he's openly stated several other times in several other interviews (not to mention what he has in his own manga) which is all the information that anyone would need to realize the lack of authenticity for them. 2) The way it is drawn in the manga, the trip was far from being instantaneous (even though that's what the Shunkan Idou is). The entire round trip took him more than a second, yet the Z Senshi was still insanely impressed by it (even the ones like Gohan and Yamucha, who had a faint inkling as to how fast Gokuu was as an Ssj, and Bejiita, who apart from Gokuu was the strongest and the fastest there) In general though, since this argument (the legitimacy of your "interviews") is not going to end anytime soon, I suggest we just drop it in general, since we could argue about it till we were blue in the face but neither of us will change our view of it. I'm not admitting defeat (far from it), I'm just saying let's call it a draw and be done with it. __________________

09-27-2007	#55 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage - It's on your shoulders to provide verification, because it's reasonable, in fact empirical, to reject claims without evidence. It's foolhardy to assume the accuracy of something until proven otherwise, because no one should believe without reason. A central concept in science and the scientific method, for example is that all evidence must be empirical, or empirically based, that is, dependent on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses. It's the same deal, and if you take the word of others blindly on the internet, you're bound to wind up with a whole lot of nonsense. - So, he grabbed Roshi's sunglasses mid-"instant"-teleportation, then teleported back without any time passing? Not likely. Vegeta scoffed at it, saying Goku fooled them by moving fast - Goku used Roshi's sunglasses as proof, because Kame House was over 10,000 kilometers away. Roshi saw Goku take his glasses. __________________

09-27-2007	#56 (permalink)
Final Ultima (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,080 Rep Power: 0	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage 1.The interviews are from Shonen Jump and the Daiznenshuu's!!! Those are not fake but REAL!! That is verification enough! I will leave it at that. 2.Instantaneous movement is what surprised the Z Senshi, not just speed. 3. No one could answer my speed feat question? __________________ AKIRA TORIYAMA:"DRAGONBALL, IT'S THE ANIME AND THE MANGA!" *THE TRUTH GETS NEGGED, BRING ON THE RED!!*

09-27-2007	#57 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage 1. You have no proof that it ever appeared in Shounen Jump or the Daizenshuu. Your word is not worth anything without evidence, and neither is the word of some other website. 2. Obviously not, since it's impossible that no time passed, and Vegeta thought he fooled them by moving quickly, and all of them were utterly stunned that Goku could travel such a distance so quickly. 3. It wasn't ten kilometers, it was within visible distance. __________________

09-27-2007	#58 (permalink)
Final Ultima (19) Mastered Super Saiyan Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,080 Rep Power: 0	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage 1. The guy gave us sources where his interviews came from, they are even on websites!! He posted the magazine cover where it states there is an interview with Akira Toriyama! And the Daiznenshuu interviews are true because in all seven books Toriyama has interviews and those interviews are translated as fact fro mthe daizneshuu's. 2. No, Z senshi was shocked about instantaneous movement, they were not shocked about "Super speed." 3. I am talking about the speed feat from the manga scans I posted up at the top of the page. Did you get how fast it is? __________________ AKIRA TORIYAMA:"DRAGONBALL, IT'S THE ANIME AND THE MANGA!" *THE TRUTH GETS NEGGED, BRING ON THE RED!!*

09-27-2007	#59 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Re: Nuclear Bombs - Don't Underestimate the Damage 1. There is false information all over the internet. It doesn't mean anything if it's on a website. The dragonball AF rumor was all over the internet , "even on websites" (honestly, it's the internet, where else?), but those are fake. It could be the cover to any Akira Toriyama interview. How in the world does it prove that this exact interview was contained within that magazine? The cover could've been for some different interview entirely. The daizenshuu interviews - can you prove those were accurate translations, and not fan-fabrications? Do you know the issue, and page? If so, run it by some guys on Daizenshuu EX, and see what they all think of it. If not - it's nothing. 2. Again, you're just ignoring my explanation, and going "I'm right, you're wrong". They all shouted, and Yamcha exclaimed that Kame House was over 10,000 kilometers from there - why on earth would that be important, if it wasn't shocking that someone could travel that distance with super speed? If Goku could have flown that distance normally, why was it considered proof that his technique was legit, for him to travel 20,000 kilometers in little over a second? It's far outside the distance he could normally travel in a few moments, that's why. 3. So was I. It wasn't ten kilometers, it was within visible distance. __________________